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To: samtheman; sirchtruth; Qwinn; Future Snake Eater
1. The Crucifixion. Was it, or was it not, PREORDAINED?

The statements made on this thread that "the Jews killed Jesus" I think ignore the above question.

If Jesus was God in human flesh (and I think he was) then it is just silly to think that ANYONE could do ANYTHING to him without his consent. when Jesus was carrying that cross up to Golgotha he wasn't shocked or surprised. When he was hanging there and stated "Father forgive them...", he WAS in that very event - the crucifiction - fulfilling the very reason that he was on earth.

Take a look at the Last Supper, or his last night in Gethsemane - he knew what was coming.

Knowbody hilled Jesus, He gave himself willingly - for us - for the entire world.

IMHO, any suggestion that ANYONE killed jesus is ignorant of the above.

Regards,

255 posted on 02/27/2004 6:32:15 AM PST by jonno (We are NOT a democracy - though we are democratic. We ARE a constitutional republic.)
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To: jonno
Those are all good points, but doesn't that totally preclude the possibility of free will?
301 posted on 02/27/2004 7:17:21 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Oh boy, I can't wait to eat that monkey!"--Abe Simpson)
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To: jonno
Knowbody hilled Jesus, He gave himself willingly - for us - for the entire world.

I'm not referring too the spiritual aspect, the Hight Preist, Sadducees and Pharisees, turned Jesus over to the Roman authorities for Blasphemy and broke all kinds of their own rules to have his trial.

What do you think the penalty was for claiming you were God...stoning on the spot, this was the Jewish custom they had picked up stones several times, but he got away!

The Jewish Hierarchy did not kill Jesus, but they surely didn't stop him from being crucified. Don't tell me you're ignorant of that?

You don't have to be anti-semitic to repeat the story.

386 posted on 02/27/2004 2:40:24 PM PST by sirchtruth
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