Frankly, I hate Christpher Hitchens ...
Posted on 02/27/2004 3:40:31 AM PST by ejdrapes
I haven't seen this movie yet. From what I understand it might leave one a little bit confused about what went on and why(nonbeliever)...It is important that people understand that the Jewish hierarchy was not about to let Jesus ruin their system of religion. People were following him ya know.
Do you not know he was betrayed to the Jewish leaders for 30 peices of silver or have you dismissed this fact? It ALL ties together...
I'm not a Jew basher, or I would not go as far as to say the Jews killed Jesus, but what I will point out is what scripture notates, becauses it is all important to grasp why it happened historically as well as spiritually. The Jewish religious leaders rejected Jesus as the messiah, that is scriptural.
You know, I've been around Christians all of my life. I even grew up in the (shudder) "Deep South." (Ooooh!) Never in my life have I once heard a Christian blame Jews for the death of Christ. Not once. Not even a hint of this.
Whenever this has come up (not all that often, but often enough which is to say too often) it has been in the context of Jews criticizing Christians for this alleged belief.
That has been my experience and I have had numerous friends confirm that their experience has been exactly the same.
OK, I had not really been aware of this, though it does seem obvious that the point of the Crucifiction, that Christ died to offer mankind salvation, implies that the participants in the event were acting according to God's wishes.
Yes, agreed that Judaism and Christianity are closely related, share the same moral code. I suppose you could say that both are "Jewish" religions.
Sorry to take so long to get back to you, have not had the chance to get next to the computer since yesterday morning. Thanks for your replies and thoughts.
I agree, Carton, the two religions are surely very closely related, one sprang from the other. I think a Christian might almost say that Judaism is contained within Christianity.
I was trying to make a point that the persons who actually killed Christ were fulfilling the wishes of (the Christian God), so no matter who it was, why hate them?
Wouldn't you say more "attempted" murder? or "attempted" deicide? Although I believe the thing was done through the due process of the day.
"Thankfully, God is much smarter than any human "
That may be understating it a little...using the word smart, I mean...God is infinite and all encompassing, I think.
"It did happen, it was terrible, but we move on with life and learn from our mistakes."
I'm not going to accept that it justifies anti Semitism even if it had been a recent event, or even then, I guess I mean. After all, back then most Christians were Jews, while they may have been upset with the court, I doubt they became "anti Semitic."
Something to chew on though...
I just finished watching Franco Zeffirelli's made for tv viewing of Jesus of Nazareth. (1977 release) I was curious as to how the Pharisees would be portrayed, and they seem just as conniving as I am sure they are in the Passion of the Christ.
I recall no outcry then that this movie was anti-semetic. A a matter of fact I don't think anyone thought this portrayal to be consider anything other than the story of Christ. It was played for several years during the Lenten Season but eventually fell to the wayside in the 1980's.
Why now, 27 years later is Gibson's movie, that shows The Passion, considered controversial? How have we changed that much in 27 years in regards to our perceptions of faith and God?! (I am talking society now... not you or I.)
Now they show the movie The Ten Commandments, which has little to do with the Passion, other than Jesus coming from the House of David.
The Ten Commandments is played on Easter Sunday.
Dittoes.
You know, this movie has brought so much to light. The whole notion of "antisemitism" is now stood on its head.
I watch the cynical Foxman testing the power of the the "antisemite" bludgeon. The terrible thing he may be finding out is that its not as powerful a weapon as he thought it was.
Last night on Scarborough I saw Carl Berstein claim that "he didn't throw around the antisemite label that easily. After all, he'd been a vocal critic of Israel himself."
Like we're not very used to liberal Jews condemning Israel?
But why is it ok to criticize a legitmate part of the Catholic Church, and not get labeled anti-Catholic?
I know that they stoned Stephen, but they took Jesus to Pilate because they did not have the authority to put someone to death.
John 18:28-31 - Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early, and they themselves went not into the judgment hall lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover. Pilate then went out unto them and said, What accusation bring ye against this man? They answered and said until him, If he were no a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto the. Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death.
Wrong! You might note that this was news to Pilate.
This was Jewish law not Roman and it had to do with the Passover. If they had chosen any other time then they could. That is why they took him to Pilate. Not because they couldn't at any time but because of the time of the year it was they would have defiled themselves.
This was a passing of the buck. They wanted Jesus gone and, maybe deliberately, they chose the one time of the year when they, by their law not Roman law, would have to have the Romans do it.
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