To: copwife
Hmmm. He's the same awesome God who decided to torment these people for fun:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1086109/posts And let the World Trade Centers burn and fall...and people die...why not?
He's the same God who made a huge universe beyond your imagining, but likes to intervene in Hollywood and make a movie, hey why not? He has time left over, since humans are the center of this vast universe. Why he made the rest of it, with all those star systems and galaxies that don't have humans, who knows, maybe he just likes to live in a big house?
Let's be logical here. There are tons of kids starving at this moment, there are murders, there are wars, there is suffering everywhere, and he chooses to personally have one of his "followers" make a movie--
I mean, how personally involved *is* he in the world, because if he's THAT personally involved, he's really inhumane.
93 posted on
02/26/2004 8:59:14 PM PST by
equus
To: equus
Ignorant.
God has foreordained everything that comes to pass for His glory and to bring some good from it.
Just because your sinful heart can't see that doesn't mean God is "inhumane."
Get over yourself.
103 posted on
02/26/2004 9:28:39 PM PST by
rwfromkansas
("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
To: equus
Kind of ironic that, on the one hand, you criticize the idea that God is fixated on humanity, then finish by asserting the "if God cared" fallacy, that essentially laments God not being fixated on humanity.
As best I can tell, you're criticizing your own position.
Silly to knock God for not being more human, while at the same time evaluating Him as if He were.
108 posted on
02/26/2004 9:50:19 PM PST by
Imal
(Liberals support our troops by claiming their mission is immoral and their sacrifices meaningless.)
To: equus
Sorry, but God is very much involved in every detail of the world.
In Psalm 135:6, it says, "Whatever the LORD pleases He does, in heaven and in earth, in the seas and in all deep places." In Daniel 4:35, it says this: "All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; he does according to His will in the army of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth. No one can restrain His hand or say to Him, "What have You done?"
Matthew 10:29-31
"Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So dont be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows."
1 Samuel 2:6-7:
"The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up. The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up."
Rom 13:1: "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been ESTABLISHED by God."
John 19:11: "Jesus answered, 'You would have no power over me if it were not GIVEN TO YOU FROM ABOVE. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.'"
Rom 9:17-21: "For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'" Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?"
Eph 1:11: "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who WORKETH ALL THINGS AFTER THE COUNSEL OF HIS OWN WILL."
109 posted on
02/26/2004 9:52:21 PM PST by
rwfromkansas
("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
To: equus
I can't explain "it," the world. Many better than me have made their attempts a matter of record. God gave humans free will. You know it, you have it. God has made a few promises, and "Peace on Earth" is not one of them.
Mel Gibson made a movie that covers God's gift of salvation from damnation. Some people poo-poo the notion of salvation, for various reasons and based on various, heartfelt beliefs. The Holy Spirit roams the earth, in an effort to bring humans with strong self-will to submit to God's will. I pray that the Holy Spirit works Its power in your heart.
118 posted on
02/26/2004 10:16:01 PM PST by
Cboldt
To: equus
Let's be logical here. There are tons of kids starving at this moment, there are murders, there are wars, there is suffering everywhere, and he chooses to personally have one of his "followers" make a movie-- about how when God was visiting earth, his own chosen people arrested him under false charges, then called him a blasphemer because he identified himself as God, (It ain't blasphemy if it's
true...) then was handed over to the pagan Romans, where they demanded that he be punished by means of the most cruel, heartless form of punishment known in the world at that time. Then, instead of wiping them off the face of the earth with a mere sweep of his hand, God allows them to hit, whip, and insult him with total impunity!!! Then he goes so far as to forgive them, because they didn't know what they were doing!!! Through the whole process, he doesn't lift a finger to stop them, nor does he cry out in anger.
Yeah, I guess he wanted to make sure people remembered what they did to HIM, in case they were wondering why there was so much pain and suffering in the world...
124 posted on
02/26/2004 10:27:02 PM PST by
Ronzo
(Check out my web site: www.theodicy.org)
To: equus
To your Post #93
God is after your heart !
He is not your personal body guard!
We exist for God he does not exist for us.
Since you blame God for bad things .
Who do you blame for the good things?
By your logic since I am a Christian I guess its okay for me to cross the street before looking both ways after all God will protect me right?
We are in our flesh as a result of our sin and separated from God.
Bad things can happen because we are in this state of flesh.
through the belief and acceptance of the Holy Spirit which comes when Christ is requested by the heart in each individual one at a time we gain the insight and recognize our own relationship through the Son.
True Life is knowing the eternal one.
The place of no suffering is Heaven.
It is good that you ask these questions that you do. I would suggest that you keep doing it.
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