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Earth almost put on impact alert
http://news.bbc.co.uk ^ | Tuesday, 24 February, 2004, 17:33 GMT | Dr. David Whitehouse

Posted on 02/24/2004 11:34:28 AM PST by GeraldP

Some scientists believed on 13 January that a 30m object, later designated 2004 AS1, had a one-in-four chance of hitting the planet within 36 hours.

It could have caused local devastation and the researchers contemplated a call to President Bush before new data finally showed there was no danger.

The procedures for raising the alarm in such circumstances are now being revised.

At the time, the president's team would have been putting the final touches to a speech he was due to make the following day at the headquarters of Nasa, the US space agency.

In it he planned to reset the course of manned spaceflight, sending it back to the Moon and on to Mars, but he could have had something very different to say.

If... the call had been made to the president it would have been disastrous

Brian Marsden, Minor Planet Center He could have begun by warning the world it was about to be hit by a space rock.

Bush would not have known where it would impact - only somewhere in the Northern Hemisphere. Experts would have been bouncing radar signals off the huge rock as he spoke in order to get more information about its trajectory.

At about 30m wide, the asteroid was cosmic small fry, not the type of thing to wipe out the dinosaurs or threaten our species, but still big enough to cause considerable damage after exploding in the atmosphere.

Potentially, the loss of life could have been much worse than 11 September.

In the end, Bush made no such announcement, but astronomers have admitted they were on the verge of making the call.

Shall we call the President?

In a paper presented at this week's Planetary Protection conference in California, veteran asteroid researcher Clark Chapman calls it a "nine-hour crisis".

He explains how word reached the astronomical community of an asteroid that had just been discovered by the twin optical telescopes of the Linear automated sky survey in New Mexico.

Bush's Nasa speech might have taken a different turn The Minor Planet Center in Massachusetts - the clearing house for such observations - posted details on the internet requesting attention from astronomers, one of whom noticed something peculiar.

The object was expected to grow 40-times brighter in the next day - a possible sign that it was getting closer, very rapidly.

But with data from just four observations available, the uncertainties were large. There were many possible orbits the object could be on, and the majority of them did not threaten the Earth.

What to do? Tell the world about the uncertain situation or wait for more data?

For some astronomers, events reached a crescendo when Steven Chesley, a researcher at Nasa's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, looked at the available data and sent an e-mail saying the asteroid had a 25% chance of striking the Earth's Northern Hemisphere in a few days.

It was then that astronomers Clark Chapman and David Morrison, chair of the International Astronomical Union's Working Group on Near Earth Objects, contemplated picking up the telephone to the White House.

'Jumped the gun'

But many astronomers did not agree that waking up President Bush would have been wise.

"They completely misread the situation," said Benny Peiser of Liverpool John Moores University in the UK. "There was plenty of time to get other observers on the job."

Others also believe the call would have been premature.

"That would have jumped the gun before we knew much about the object," said Brian Marsden, of the Minor Planet Center.

Chapman was close to raising alarm "I find it incredible that such action was contemplated on the basis of just four observations. That is just not enough to yield a sensible orbit.

"There was no need to panic as it was obvious that the situation would have been resolved, one way or another, in another hour or two," he told BBC News Online.

Fortunately for all concerned, shortly after the ominous Chesley e-mail, an amateur astronomer managed to dodge the clouds and take a picture of a blank patch of sky.

This was significant because if 2004 AS1 really was going to hit the Earth, it would have been in the amateur's sights. The fact that it was absent meant the rock would not strike us.

But Chapman says in his presentation that if it had been cloudy, and no more observations could have been obtained at the time, he would have raised the alarm.

Marsden disagrees. "If it had been cloudy and the call had been made to the President it would have been disastrous."

Many astronomers recognise that they a false alarm could have brought ridicule on their profession. They are calling for more planning and less panic if it should happen for real next time.

And 2004 AS1? It turned out to be bigger than anyone had thought - about 500m wide. It eventually passed the Earth at a distance of about 12 million km - 32 times the Earth-Moon distance, posing no danger to us whatsoever.


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KEYWORDS: asteroid; cataclysm; globalkiller; impact
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To: GeraldP
One effect of something like this could be a nuclear nation (India, Pakistan, U.S., U.S.S.R. etc.) mistaking the space rock for a weapon launched by an adversary and retaliating accordingly.
41 posted on 02/24/2004 12:51:10 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Ditter
"If I can't get out of the way in time, don't even tell me about it."

You can't. They won't.

Now unload your SUV ;)

42 posted on 02/24/2004 12:55:28 PM PST by G.Mason (The trouble with practical jokes is that very often they get elected -- Will Rogers)
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To: Poohbah
Of course I remember.

I've just about finished reading Alas Babylon. It's pretty good, but not as large in scope as Lucifer's Hammer.

43 posted on 02/24/2004 12:56:00 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: All
"And 2004 AS1? It turned out to be bigger than anyone had thought - about 500m wide. It eventually passed the Earth at a distance of about 12 million km - 32 times the Earth-Moon distance, posing no danger to us whatsoever."

Toutatis (4179)

ETA 9-29-04 appx 1300

Size appx 2.5 Miles across

Distance .01AU, or appx 4 Lunar Dist.

EOM..

44 posted on 02/24/2004 12:58:51 PM PST by CygnusXI (Where's that dang Meteor already?)
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To: Ditter
I guess my point is that the one that hits us is the hardest to detect early.

People need to know more on that point because if one DOES hit they will ask "What did W know and when did he know it?" - you know what I mean?

45 posted on 02/24/2004 1:00:20 PM PST by Mr. K
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To: Mr. K
but if it is coming right towards us it does not move- we can only tell it is coming by it growing brighter.

Is there any equivalent of doppler-radar that can detect the speed of a seemingly stationary object headed toward the earth?

46 posted on 02/24/2004 1:08:55 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: GeraldP
Scientific American had an interesting article titled "Asteroid Tugboat" a couple of months ago. I wonder if anyone has a copy of it?
47 posted on 02/24/2004 1:14:54 PM PST by GeraldP (Feja e shqiptarit eshte Shqiptaria)
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To: Larry Lucido
I'm not certain, but thats a pretty good question- it is an awful big sky and sending a signal and hearing a response may be a way to detect something like that.

The response would travel at the speed of light so we might now get responses for hours (or days) and the reflection may be pretty weak.
48 posted on 02/24/2004 1:15:22 PM PST by Mr. K
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To: Mr. K
In actuality you're right. The most likely scenario for an impact will be...impact. No warning.
49 posted on 02/24/2004 1:18:24 PM PST by Indie (Kill 'em all and let allah sort 'em out.)
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To: G.Mason
I am ready to go, if you know what I mean. ;9)
50 posted on 02/24/2004 1:19:30 PM PST by Ditter
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To: GeraldP
I think the space rock that made the impact crater in Arizona (approx. 1 mile diameter) was estimated to be only 50 feet across. About 1/2 the size of this one.

FYI...

51 posted on 02/24/2004 1:22:54 PM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: GeraldP
API Berkely - Upon hearing the news of near miss by a "big space rock", representative Zynthia McKinney demanded to know what Bush Knew and when he knew it. Kerry blames the lack of credible information on the CIA and says that if he were president would have done something about this problem much sooner. Howard dean was unavailable for comment due to "primal scream" practice.
52 posted on 02/24/2004 1:31:28 PM PST by PsyOp (I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.)
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To: Timesink
I'm with ya'. Let's do it! Let us know what you find... post it here.

53 posted on 02/24/2004 1:32:37 PM PST by 1ofmanyfree ((Defend our borders! Enforce The Imigration Laws! Outlaw the Outlaws' Amnesty!))
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To: Williams
You are correct! We have a winner!
54 posted on 02/24/2004 1:34:07 PM PST by 1ofmanyfree ((Defend our borders! Enforce The Imigration Laws! Outlaw the Outlaws' Amnesty!))
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To: RightWhale
>>> That is some meteorite! Even bigger than Albania. Seriously, though, a lot more would be happening in such a collision than what shows in the artist's rendering. The meteorite would already be coming apart due to earth's gravity, and there would probably be some major electrical effects. The waves and ripples around the impact site wouldn't be forming immediately; the impact would be in slow motion on that scale, but not so slow that land waves would move relatively that fast.

Few people know Albanians are actually the descendants of inhabitants of Atlantis who escaped a "global killer" underground, only to resurface having forgotten most of their technological knowledge. (kidding of course)

I am trying to picture a "relatively" small black hole colliding with a planet, but my amateurish knowledge in Physics and Astronomy seems to fail me past the point where the Earth is (possibly) incinerated by Sun-fuel spiraling toward it.
55 posted on 02/24/2004 1:37:58 PM PST by GeraldP (Feja e shqiptarit eshte Shqiptaria)
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To: Larry Lucido
Los Alamos is working on it...
56 posted on 02/24/2004 1:41:40 PM PST by 1ofmanyfree ((Defend our borders! Enforce The Imigration Laws! Outlaw the Outlaws' Amnesty!))
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To: Mr. K
That's what I was afraid of. It's apparently not as easy as, say, clocking a fast pitch from Nolan Ryan.
57 posted on 02/24/2004 1:42:02 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: GeraldP
a "relatively" small black hole colliding with a planet

There were some images of a star being ripped apart by a black hole just last week. Might even be an FR thread. A planet wouldn't do any better than a star. Every speck of dust of the planet would be scattered. There would be nothing left but the dust cloud, although some of the dust might re-accrete into a planet again later.

58 posted on 02/24/2004 1:42:40 PM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: Poohbah
I love that book.
59 posted on 02/24/2004 1:43:25 PM PST by BurtS188 (when you finally decide, it may be too late)
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To: GeraldP
Like as if they would ever tell us prior to such an event, anyway???
60 posted on 02/24/2004 1:50:50 PM PST by Dixie Pirate
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