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In California now you have to show your SSN card to get a driver's license; right after this law was passed I needed to go to DMV to renew my license and they asked me for my card. I showed it to them and they said it was not a valid card; the problem was that I still carry the original card I was issued in 1954 when I went to work part-time for a bowling alley setting pins (on metal pins that came out of the floor when you stepped on a pedal) because I had to have one for the IRS and my dad's taxman.

At the very bottom of my card it states clearly: Not to be used for identification; this statement no longer appears on the new cards and was a great source of consternation for these fine folk at the Department of Moron Vesicles; after quite a bit of haggling and a near-fatal episode of apoplexy on my part I was able to convince the so-called supervisor that I was indeed who I said I was since I still had the same D.L. # that was issued to me by the state of California in 1964.

I have since left and haven't had to renew my license there, but I can't help but think that privacy was the least of the worries of the martinets who installed this law.

Call me in favor of child abuse if you like, but I believe a man has the right to be on his property without the need to carry credentials. If there was a call into dispatch about a possible domestic disturbance, then it doesn't make sense to me that the police officer should arrest the man under the auspices of obstruction of justice. I would think that an arrest under simple assault or domestic violence would make more sense. If the officer were to say "We have a report of someone matching your description behaving in a certian way. You must come with me, sir." A simple assault charge could easily be tossed by the judge and then there would be no constitutional issue. Obstruction sounds phony to me, but my gut reaction is that there's something missing from the story.

Here is why it is important for this case to go to the United States Supreme court.

Tape of detention and abuse of 4th and 5th

http://policeabuse.org/Media/car.wav

Here is how some bad LEO's operate

http://policeabuse.org/carthage.html

Website of former LEO who is investigating complaints of bad LEO's

http://policeabuse.org Incidence with man at payphone demanding identification.

Officer Jones continued to demand identification and information about the travel plans of our investigators. When one investigator refused his suggestions the officer stepped to within one foot of our investigators face and put forth a menacing glare for about four minutes.

While our investigator and officer Jones eyed each other a police dispatcher informed the officers that our investigators did not have any warrants and that our driver had a valid license. Officer Jones returned the licenses to our investigators. One investigator then removed a digital camera from his pocket and began to question officer Jones and the comments he made during his investigation. Officer Jones did not want to discuss the matter. He and the other officers quickly turned and walked towards their police vehicles. You may view officer Jones now as he admits to threatening to throw our investigators in jail because they exercised their right to remain silent and because they refused to incriminate themselves.

We returned to the city of Carthage a few days later to file a complaint against the officers and to report the incident that involved our original victims. The police chief was ready for us. After inviting one of our investigators into his office the chief demanded to know whether he was being video or audio tape recorded. Our investigator never answered him. The chief was being recorded. Ultimately, the chief called the city attorney.

After several moments of discussion in front of the Carthage police station the city attorney agreed to a meeting where we presented the information collected during our investigation. We showed the city attorney the tape of officer Jones and others we had investigated over several weeks. We are awaiting the results of the City Attorney's investigation. We will post them to this WebSite when we have received a response from the City Attorneys office.