[Dimensio]

When I say evolution I'm talking about the overall theory that starts with a big bang and ends with us debating it.

There is no scientific theory that unites the origin of the universe, the origin of the solar system, the origin of life and the origin of species. All are covered under seperate scientific explanations, only some of which can be called "theory".

It is in no way confined to changes within already living organisms in an already existing universe no matter what Darwin may have had in mind at the time.

The theory of evolution is confined to changes within already living organisms (or specifically, populations of said organisms). The formation of the cosmos has no bearing on the mechanics of the theory of evolution, and as such it is an unrelated topic.

You are playing a losing game here, insisting on debating a theory that doesn't exist, or redefining a theory to cover topics that it does not address. You cannot call it our failing when we rightly point out that you're getting the facts wrong simply because we don't accept your arbitrary redefinition of the facts.

[biblewonk]

It would be artificial for me to limit my discussion to changes within already living organisms. The term and theory is broader than that. Carl Sagan, high priest of evolution, preached the whole gospel of evolutionin his Cosmos series. He started with the big bang end ended with us. He repeated the them over and over. This is what evolution is.