Would you be so keen on the Patriot Act and TIPS, etc. if Hillary proposed it?
What, you thought you had a real clincher there? I answered the gist of you post in a short but effective manner which caught you off guard. Sorry that from your perspective I didn't meet the big challenge you set up.
> your lack of a serious reply suggests that you may be the "troll"
Come on, that troll bit is soooo weak and soooo over played. If you expect better of me than you'll have to try and do better yourself. You see the war through the two options the propagandist want you to 1) fight continuous preventive wars and remake the entire Islamic culture, accept a high security police state at home or else option #2 - DIE! Didn't it ever occur to you that there could be other ways to look at the situation and other ways to deal with it?
By the way have you read this thread? No End to War. The Frum-Perle prescription would ensnare America in endless conflict.