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>You responded angrily

I try not to, believe me but it is very difficult to discuss issues around these parts when any challenge to policy is met with ad hominems and vicious slanders. I'd disagree with Perel and Frum if their names were Finney and McNalty and they were passionately attached to Ireland, Jew's and Israel have nothing to do with it. It is all a matter of principle and what is seen as wise policy and healthy for the nation versus what is understood to be reckless and risky to the nation.

The premise of ideology going in circular travels is limited. True the left and the right both could end up in totalitarian regimes dictating every aspect of life however libertarianism just doesn't fit into that equation because they do not use government to enforce their ideals. I know it's popular these days to call libertarians leftist however sloppy the notion is. It's a useful tool for denigrating ideas so conservatives will pay no heed.

Former Congressman Bob Barr was always a staunch conservative and now he is working with the ACLU on opposing the Patriot ACT does that make him a leftist? The US was allied with the Soviet Union to fight Germany. Did that make the US commies?

P.S. I really like how you operate "you're a lunatic on the fringe - I know because I'm a moderate." Well at least you were polite about it. More than I can say for a lot of the others. Nice try.

cordially,

There is no arguing with those who would happily submit to being a piece of government inventory, tagged and supervised like a common farm animal by their masters, and force others at gunpoint to do the same.

"Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, 'What should be the reward of such sacrifices?' ... If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"
Samuel Adams

U-89,

Ok, let me try another way to explain to you why you are misguided even if your intentions are good.

Let's say that you are an extreme Christian Scientist and you believe that all forms of non-holistic medicine are wrong. You are diagnosed with a serious case of cancer that requires not only surgery, but long term chemotherapy. You now have two options:

1. Stand behind your beliefs...and die.
2. Take the radical steps of surgery and chemotherapy and perhaps save your life.

Well, this analogy is PERFECT for what we, as conservatives, face in the War on Terror. There is a deadly cancer in the world...Islamic terrorism...and it will eventually KILL our nation if we don't respond appropriately. The Patriot Act (chemotherapy) and pre-emptive war (surgery) are the tools by which we MAY survive. Thus, we compromise our beliefs (libertarianism) in order to avoid likely destruction. I wish we didn't need National ID cards, I wish we didn't need many provisions of the Patriot Act...but WE DO need them to enhance our chances for survival.

So you and Bob Barr can die with your belief system intact...I personally would rather live to fight another day. And as for your comments about Barr and the ACLU...well...he's just being naive. Hell, if the ACLU actually stood for what it was founded to achieve, I would be a member...but it's not what it's supposed to be...it's just a tool for left wing agendas.

Flashback to a November 2002 Fox News report hosted by Brit Hume on Israeli spying in America. Just the link posted, since the transcripts are quite lengthy.

Interesting fact I did not know: Israeli-based firm Amdocs has contracts with the 25 largest telecommunications companies in U.S. with ability to record virtually every directory assistance call and phone billing entry.