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"Interesting question, if you aren't driving why would/should you?

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Well, in this video, although the truck was parked, the person had obviously been driving it. His daughter was in the passenger seat and it was parked just off the highway.

So, an ID or drivers' license request seems appropriate to me in the particular circumstances.

In any case, I understand that the police are often investigating something or another. If asked for identification, I will provide it. I have done so many times in my life, even though I have never been arrested for anything, or even had a traffic ticket.

Now, I realize that there are bad cops, but I've never encountered one. All the police officers I've had contact with seemed to me to be doing their job, legally and without breaking any laws.

So, yes, I'll show my drivers' license if asked. I can see no reason not to.

Now, I realize that some folks have had their license suspended or revoked. That's a pretty common reason for refusal to show the license, it seems. Was that the case with this guy? I'd bet it was.

You don't show it to a LEO and they're one of the bad ones they throw you in the pokey.

If you're lucky. If you're not, he'll beat the crap out of you and then throw you in the pokey while claiming that you resisted an arrest that was unlawful to begin with.

True story: Many years ago I witnessed what can happen when a person doesn't produce an ID fast enough for Mr. LEO. Two undergrad students at the university where I attended law school were waiting for the off-campus shuttle bus. For whatever reason, two cops on patrol asked the guys for ID. They politely refused. The cops again asked to see ID and they again refused. One of the cops then unhooked his club from his utility belt and started to pat the end into the palm of his free hand. With that the students decided to give up their constitutional rights and gave the cops their ID's to avoid any further harrassment. Too late. One of the cops shoved one of the guy's ID's into the guy's face as if he was trying to stuff it down his throat. When the kid tried to defend himself, the cops started beating the crap out of the guy with their clubs. When the other guy tried to stop the assault, the cops turned on him. Back-up was called and now there were 8 or more cops beating the crap out of two college kids whose only "crime" was refusing to produce an ID to Mr. LEO when they were doing nothing more than waiting for a bus. The kids were taken to the hospital by ambulance and charged with resisting arrest, disorderly conduct, and loitering. The cops of course lied through their teeth while under oath. What they didn't know is that someone had videotaped the incident from a nearby building that overlooked the bus stop. The only reason it wasn't national news was because both the cops and victims were white males. All charges were dropped. I testified at the civil rights trial. The kids got lots of money. The cops kept their jobs and at least one was promoted despite lying under oath. I got a lot of parking tickets until I finally moved out of that town.

Is that the kind of country that we want to live in?

Citizen, show me your papers.

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Posted on 02/13/2004 5:14:28 PM CST

Are You a Democrat, Republican or Texan?

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges.

You're carrying a Smith & Wesson revolver and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

Democrat's Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question. Does the man look poor or oppressed? What drove him to the level of desperation he feels now, driving him to FEEL that he has to take from others to make himself FEEL better? What might I have done that ever OFFENDED him? Could I apologize to him first, for ever having done something that might have ever offended him, to first see if that appeases him? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack or make him feel VICTIMIZED? What kind of childhood did he have? Was he an underprivileged child, having less than the rest of the kids growing up, his age, had? Could we have created some PROGRAM that would have made him FEEL; more included as a member of society, so that he would not FEEL as though this is his only answer? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What do the Muslims think? What does the WORLD COMMUNITY think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? Could I just CARRY the gun without any bullets, and just show it to him, so that he would know that I have one, but not subject my family to the circumstances involved in really carrying a LOADED weapon? Could I just TELL him that I have a gun, and hope that he understands, and changes his mind? What does the law say about this situation? Does the pistol have an appropriate safety built into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun in the first place, and what kind of message does this send to society and my children and the Muslim community? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If he were to kill just me, or just one of my children, would tha! t be eno ugh to make him FEEL better? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me to death? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends and the World Community for a few years to try to come up with a PROGRAM to deal with these issues. Maybe we need to consult the Australians, about how well their NO GUNS policy has helped to keep the guns out of the hands of their criminals, who we all know followed their law, that required them to turn in all of their guns? I know... let's talk to Mr. and Mrs. Brady, to see what they think we could do. After all, Mr. Brady is doing better since he took the bullet for President Reagan, and I know he FEELS better now that his assailant, John Hinkley, is going to be able to have unsupervised, overnight visits with his family now. This must make Mr. Hinkley FEEL better now, and MUCH less of a VICTIM. Maybe Mrs. Brady has some good ideas. After all, her husband isn't a COMPLETE vegetable. I know, let's just follow her lead, and outlaw ALL guns... INCLUDING those carried by the Police (and the Secret Service), because after all, they only make the downtrodden FEEL more UNCOMFORTABLE and victimized by knowing we have them to protect ourselves. Yea. That's it. The Brits and the Australians have it. Just completely do away with all weapons. That way, when the man with the huge knife (or whatever) comes around the corner, with me and my family in his sights, he won't feel so much like a VICTIM that he feels he has to raise his knife and rob (and/or kill) me and my family. Better yet, he won't be carrying the knife now, because he knows that all weapons have been outlawed, and he doesn't want to break the law. And now, he will KNOW that I don't have a weapon, and he will be far more understanding now that I am TOTALLY defenseless, and he will just use his better judgment, and come to the decision that it just wouldn't be right to rob! or kill an unarmed citizen and his family, and will just choose to pass us on by. Yea... that's it.

Republican's Answer:

BANG!

Texan's Answer:

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