4th & 5th Amendment -- Citizen refusal to produce ID --- heard by U.S. Supreme Court "video"

Public Defender of Wyoming ^ | 2.17.2004 | Bill Scannell

[af_vet_rr]

That was chilling. If I had to use one word, that would be it - chilling.

I spent a little time in eastern Europe before the Soviet Union fell, and while the group I was with was escorted by other military officers, a few times we saw ordinary citizens stopped by the police or whoever and had to show ID and answer any and all questions. My German was not very good and so I have no idea what was said, but another freeper posted about living over there for a short time, as a civilian, and that was the first thing that popped into my mind.

[AppyPappy]

The cop was very nice to the guy. The guy appeared intoxicated and belligerant. If the cop had driven off without doing anything and they guy killed the girl, these same people would be crowing about the stupidity of the cop.

The police were responding to a call. Of course they want to know who is involved.

[archy]

You're comparing this incident with the Rodney King incident? You're going to have to do better than that, because these cops DID NOT beat these people.

But charged them with *resisting arrest* to justify their own actions, just as the 21 cops who beat King charged him for attacking their flashlights with his face.

[AppyPappy]

apparantly trying to coerce the testimony they wanted from her

BS. Try again, Clinton.

[AppyPappy]

RK attacked the police. That's why they started beating him. The guys in the car testified to that.

[Arpege92]

"When you have the need to know, you'll be provided with a free ride."

Oh, so you are going to deny me my rights to know where these so called "camps" are huh? These camps don't exist and your argument is stupid!

[Constantine XIII]

That kind of nonsense isn't what we are about, here. :/

The fact that you can say such things and not be grabbed up by the JBT's means that the system, such as it is, is still servicable.

[af_vet_rr]

They asked for his ID, because there had been a report of a domestic disturbance.

Rather than do the proper thing and talk to the victim, or even find out if there was a victim or a disturbance.

[archy]

I spent a little time in eastern Europe before the Soviet Union fell, and while the group I was with was escorted by other military officers, a few times we saw ordinary citizens stopped by the police or whoever and had to show ID and answer any and all questions. My German was not very good and so I have no idea what was said, but another freeper posted about living over there for a short time, as a civilian, and that was the first thing that popped into my mind.

Not to worry. You'll soon be able to tell stories about how you saw things like that in this country before it fell.

[Eaker]

Ping to find at home......

[PLMerite]

IMHO, Rodney King should have been shot the first time he raised a hand to one of those cops. The fact that he'll live long enough to get himself killed some other way is proof of how gingerly he got treated that night.

[Arpege92]

Things are different now. Blaming the cops for trying to do their jobs isn't right. My hubby who is a LEO watched this video and he agree's with me....these cops did absolutely nothing wrong. They were called to investigate a domestic disturbance and by law, they are supposed to find out what exactly happened and that includes getting some ID information on the subjects. They are held responsible if this investigation is not done correctly!

[MineralMan]

"And I am indeed one of those sworn to work from rooftops, or the gunner's seat of an Abrams tank, or on foot with a bayonet if necessary, to protect and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Including that cop, who by perjuring his own oath to the constitution and trying to frame Hiibel's daughter, became a felon himself, and by hiding behind his badge, became an enemy of the constitution."

In case you hadn't noticed, this case is in the process of being subjected to our Constitutional process. It is not, nor has it ever been, your job to take such cases to the rooftops. We have a system in place, that you swore to protect, and that system includes the "due process of law."

Since this case is up before the Supreme Court, it appears that the "due process of law" is taking its course.

I took that same oath, and recognize the justice system as part of our Constitutional protections. Do they always get it right? Nope. But....it's part of the Constitution I vowed to protect.

Bottom line: If it comes down to choosing between our law enforcement process, including the cops and the courts, and some guy on a rooftop, I'll be on the side opposing you on the roof.

You'll lose that battle, archy. I guarantee it.

You swore to protect the Constitution, and that very Constitution provides for a system of justice. Let it play out, OK.

[Labyrinthos]

The dickless worm didn't mind fighting with his daughter. Of course properly raised males were taught never to hit women by their mothers.

Read the article:

Dudley Hiibel was charged with Domestic Battery, Battery, Acts Which Constitute Domestic Violence, and Obstructing/Delaying A Peace Officer. As there was no battery or domestic violence involved, the only charge that was left was Delaying A Peace Officer.

Where's the evidence that he hit his spoiled princess of a daughter who apparently was showing no respect whatsoever to her father?

[Arpege92]

watch the video again....this cop was very interested in keeping the peace. He gave this guy every opportunity to comply with his requests and this guy didn't!

[justshutupandtakeit]

Gee what an incredible response. So moving, so filled with horsecrap. As though socialism has anything to do with supporting law enforcement rather than JUST THE OPPOSITE. One of the first things socialist what to do is UNDERMINE law enforcement. Particularly by supporting scumbags conflicts with the law.

So your family had patriots in it? What happened to you? YOU have given me NO liberties and supporting the criminally inclined or just nuts certainly doesn't protect any I have left.

Who cares what Whitman's excuse was? You would be whining about how the police didn't give him proper respect or that they put too many bullets in him.

Funny but I never saw YOU at any of the rallies FR has had in Chicago. Were you cowering behind your door fondling your rifle while we were in the streets supporting the President?

Blowhards are good for little other than inflating balloons.

[Arpege92]

He refused to cooperate with the police officer. It's not that difficult to understand! I'm not trying to be mean here but this guy had made up his mind as soon as the cops showed up that he was not going to cooperate.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Lover of Morons was falsely claiming that police used to be so much gentler and understanding with Whackjobs and nutcases. I merely pointed out the falsity of that claim.

CPD's reputation for nastiness is greatly exaggerated nowdays hence apparently you know as little about it as he.

[MineralMan]

"Rather than do the proper thing and talk to the victim, or even find out if there was a victim or a disturbance."

Actually, there was, apparently, a report of a domestic dispute between this yoyo and his daughter. The first responsibility of the responding office in such a situation is to secure the scene for his own safety. Once that is done, the victim is next. That just makes sense.

In any case, I have not said that the cops here were right. My objection is the kneejerk reaction about taking it to the rooftops that I saw. Those messages #12 and #16 have been removed from the thread, but they're quoted elsewhere.

Cops do the wrong thing sometimes, no question. Here, we have a nice videotape from the camera in the police car as evidence. It's a matter for the courts, not a matter for a bunch of yahoos on rooftops.

[Arpege92]

"I predict that the Supreme Court will rule the stop as they have for DUI tests."

This guy wasn't pulled over....the cops were told to investigate a domestic disturbance on the side of a road!