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To: Salem; Just mythoughts; 2sheep
Were you speaking metaphorically?

I was quoting Paul and John. They explain the temple metaphor in Corinthians and John as the body of Christ, the Church. And in THAT context,

1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Now people can choose to believe that the temple mentioned in 2 Thessalonians is a physical rebuilt Jewish edifice in Jerusalem, or face the alternative: the 'son of perdition' is a disciple of Jesus, as was Judas the betrayer, the thief.

Most prefer to have their ears tickled by the prophecy peddlers, when it is the Christians (not the Jews) who believe the Messiah to be God incarnate. (I'm not arguing that point either way, just noting that the Jews are not looking for a messiah-God; that is a Christian expectation/belief.)

That said, Ezekiel's temple will be built at such a time when and where there is space for it. He was given the blueprint. The goyim will come to Jerusalem to worship also. There is a reason they will be celebrating the Feast of Tabernacles (something to do with a mighty hand).

If Christians believe that Jesus heralded a new (or rather, renewed) method Jewish worship, much to the consternation of the religious elite, and that this was God's design... then the same could be said for a new (or rather renewed) method of Christian worship, much to the consternation of the religious elite and other assorted experts.

Isaiah 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
Isaiah 8:14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
Isaiah 8:15 And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

202 posted on 02/17/2004 1:31:23 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Thinkin' Gal
what is it you are trying to conclude? that the
Jews are Not going to build a temple in jeruselem?
203 posted on 02/17/2004 5:50:40 AM PST by gdc61
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To: Thinkin' Gal
the Jew have come back into the promised land as unbelievers,as prophesied. they, for the most part, do not accept Christ as the messiah. therefore, they do not follow the body is the temple, belief.
the Jews will build a new temple on the old temple mount,(after the Dome collapses)probably on the very spot of Solomons temple.they will begin the daily sacrifices. how else will the daily sacrifices be "cut off"?
in Rev.11,1 2 as you posted the other day it tells john to measure the area of the temple. where? it also says to just measure the alter and the inner court cuz the outer court is given to the gentiles. without a physical Temple much end time prophecy cannot be fulfilled.
204 posted on 02/17/2004 6:20:39 AM PST by gdc61
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To: Thinkin' Gal
I cannot say that prophecy is written that in fact a "temple" will or will not be rebuilt prior to the return of Christ.

The Bible to me is a "WHOLE" book, starting in Genesis, the beginning, the foundation by which the rest flow from.

The Old which Christ and his disciples knew and continuously quoted from made the OLD a part of the new.

Christ taught in parables and when asked why by his disciples he taught in parables Christ answered

Matt 13:11 He answered and said unto them, "Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from hims shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, (Isaiah 6:9,10) which saith

'By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.'

16. But bless are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.


Christ ask and used that phrase about many subject in his short time in the flesh. Christ always explained the parables to his disciples but not to the masses, and we in this generation have the parables as well as their meaning.

This to me says it is none of my business, but our Heavenly Father's business who has eyes to see and ears to hear.

There is an interest thing "MIRACLE" that happened at the death of Christ while upon the cross that I rarely ever hear mentioned which to me is telling about the status of the temple.

Matthew 27: 50 Jesus, when He had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the spirit.

51 And, behold, the veil of the Temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

That veil was where? The purpose of the veil was what? The renting of that veil was not done of man's hands, thus that set a benchmark that no longer a blood sacrifice was required for forgiveness.

Again I know many believe that a third temple must be built, based upon my study thus far I do not believe the "Temple" spoken of in Ezekiel will be built of flesh man's hands.

Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 all three tells what would be going on prior to Christ's return.

Matthew 24:21 (quoting Daniel) Tor then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

This declares that the "7" year tribulation will be cut short.

John 2 after Christ cleansed the Temple v. 16 And said unto them that sold doves, "Take these things hence; make not My Father's house an house of merchandise."

v17 And His disciples remembered that it was written, "The zeal of Thine house hath eaten me up." quoted from Psalms 69:9

v 18 Then answered the Jews and said unto Him, "What sign shewest Thou unto us, seeing that Thou doest these things?"

v 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, "Destroy this Temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

Note the accusation against Christ was that Matthew 26:61 And said, "This fellow said, 'I am able to destroy the Temple of God, and to build it in three days.'"

The accusation was a lie, Christ's words were twisted.

So given what we are told from the "OLD" and a second witness in the "NEW" Christ became the "Temple".

But hey each to his own, I only care about what is written and seek to gain understanding.
206 posted on 02/17/2004 7:49:12 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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