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CU scientist terms corn-based ethanol 'subsidized food burning'

By Roger Segelken

Neither increases in government subsidies to corn-based ethanol fuel nor hikes in the price of petroleum can overcome what one Cornell agricultural scientist calls a fundamental input-yield problem: It takes more energy to make ethanol from grain than the combustion of ethanol produces.

At a time when ethanol-gasoline mixtures (gasohol) are touted as the American answer to fossil fuel shortages by corn producers, food processors and some lawmakers, Cornell's David Pimentel takes a longer range view.

"Abusing our precious croplands to grow corn for an energy-inefficient process that yields low-grade automobile fuel amounts to unsustainable, subsidized food burning," said the Cornell professor in the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences. Pimentel, who chaired a U.S. Department of Energy panel that investigated the energetics, economics and environmental aspects of ethanol production several years ago, subsequently conducted a detailed analysis of the corn-to-car fuel process. His findings will be published next month in the forthcoming Encyclopedia of Physical Sciences and Technology.

Among his findings:


84 posted on 02/13/2004 6:41:11 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: from occupied ga
It takes more energy to make ethanol from grain than the combustion of ethanol produces.

Unless there have been some really dramatic developments in physics lately that I missed, it also takes more energy to produce electricity at the local power plant than is generated as electricity and than is recovered in it's final application.

And why does ethanol have to be produced from corn only? Seems there are other crops available, and plenty of fermentable sugars are lost to waste products in the agricultural industry overall.

The whole thing seems to be centered around the use of highly efficient fuel cells for electricity production anyway, not highly inefficient IC engines using alternatives fuels. The fuel cell does not need to be run on ethanol, or methanol, or natural gas or gasoline (all of which could power it), it only needs a hydrogen input of some kind. Gaseous hydrogen is not necessarily the best fuel source for practical use at this time. The electric car, ignoring the power source, is far superior in every way to an IC powered car and would have a much lower overall cost to operate for it's lifetime than an equivalent IC powered car. The electric car also reduces the pollution of the vehicle to almost zero (which leads to the source of the fuel/power considerations).

Batteries have been the major stumbling blocks for electric vehicles since the first Baker rolled off the assembly line in 1908: Batteries are just too heavy, expensive, low powered, and take too long to recharge: Even the most advanced batteries.

The fuel cell seems to be the most promising technology on the horizon that offers the possibility of taking full advantage of the electric motor for vehicle design, and research into hydrogen sources to power electric vehicles is, IMO, a very valid pursuit, worthy of both public and private funding. I don't understand the almost blind hatred for hydrogen fuel cell technology that some people seem to have.

85 posted on 02/13/2004 7:30:26 AM PST by templar
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This Prof states that it takes 140 gallons of fossil fuel at a cost of $347 to harvest one acre of corn. I don't know where this farm is, but they better get out of the business right away. There is just no way these figures could be true. I have a feeling this Prof fudged the figures just to dump on the ethanol idea.
91 posted on 02/13/2004 8:20:26 AM PST by wheels
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