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Ann Coulter: Cleland drops a political grenade
Universal Press Syndicate ^
| February 12, 2004
| Ann Coulter
Posted on 02/11/2004 11:11:19 PM PST by alloysteel
Former Sen. Max Cleland is the Democrats' designated hysteric about George Bush's National Guard service. A triple amputee and Vietnam veteran, Cleland is making the rounds on talk TV, basking in the affection of liberals who have suddenly become jock-sniffers for war veterans and working himself into a lather about President Bush's military service. Citing such renowned military experts as Molly Ivins, Cleland indignantly demands further investigation into Bush's service with the Texas Air National Guard.
Bush's National Guard service is the most thoroughly investigated event since the Kennedy assassination. But the Democrats will accept only two possible conclusions to their baseless accusations: (1) Bush was "AWOL," or (2) the matter needs further investigation.
Thirty years ago, Bush was granted an honorable discharge from the National Guard, which would seem to put the matter to rest. But liberals want proof that Bush actually deserved his honorable discharge. (Since when did the party of Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd get so obsessed with honor?)
On "Hardball" Monday night, Cleland demanded to see Bush's pay stubs for the disputed period of time, May 1972 to May 1973. "If he was getting paid for his weekend warrior work," Cleland said, "he should have some pay stubs to show it."
The next day, the White House produced the pay stubs. This confirmed what has been confirmed 1 million times before: After taking the summer off, Bush reported for duty nine times between Nov. 29, 1972, and May 24, 1973 more than enough times to fulfill his Guard duties. (And nine times more than Bill Clinton, Barney Frank or Chuck Schumer did during the same period.)
All this has been reported with documentation many times by many news organizations. George magazine had Bush's National Guard records 3 1/2 years ago.
All available evidence keeps confirming Bush's honorable service with the Guard, which leads liberals to conclude ... further investigation is needed! No evidence will ever be enough evidence. That Bush skipped out on his National Guard service is one of liberals' many nondisprovable beliefs, like global warming.
Cleland also expressed outrage that Bush left the National Guard nine months early in 1973 to go to Harvard Business School. On "Hardball," Cleland testily remarked: "I just know a whole lot of veterans who would have loved to have worked things out with the military and adjusted their tour of duty." (Cleland already knows one Al Gore!)
When Bush left the National Guard in 1973 to go to business school, the war was over. It might as well have been 1986. Presidents Kennedy and Johnson had already lost the war, and President Nixon had ended it with the Paris peace accords in January. If Bush had demanded active combat, there was no war to send him to.
To put this in perspective, by 1973, John Kerry had already accused American soldiers of committing war crimes in Vietnam, thrown someone else's medals to the ground in an anti-war demonstration, and married his first heiress. Bill Clinton had just finished three years of law school and was about to embark upon a political career which would include campaign events with Max Cleland.
Moreover, if we're going to start delving into exactly who did what back then, maybe Max Cleland should stop allowing Democrats to portray him as a war hero who lost his limbs taking enemy fire on the battlefields of Vietnam.
Cleland lost three limbs in an accident during a routine noncombat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. In fact, Cleland could have dropped a grenade on his foot as a National Guardsman or what Cleland sneeringly calls "weekend warriors." Luckily for Cleland's political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam.
There is more than a whiff of dishonesty in how Cleland is presented to the American people. Terry McAuliffe goes around saying, "Max Cleland, a triple amputee who left three limbs on the battlefield of Vietnam," was thrown out of office because Republicans "had the audacity to call Max Cleland unpatriotic." Mr. Cleland, a word of advice: When a slimy weasel like Terry McAuliffe is vouching for your combat record, it's time to sound "retreat" on that subject.
Needless to say, no one ever challenged Cleland's "patriotism." His performance in the Senate was the issue, which should not have come as a bolt out of the blue inasmuch as he was running for re-election to the Senate. Sen. Cleland had refused to vote for the Homeland Security bill unless it was chock-full of pro-union perks that would have jeopardized national security. ("OH, MY GOD! A HIJACKED PLANE IS HEADED FOR THE WHITE HOUSE!" "Sorry, I'm on my break. Please call back in two hours.")
The good people of Georgia who do not need lectures on admiring military service gave Cleland one pass for being a Vietnam veteran. He didn't get a lifetime pass.
Indeed, if Cleland had dropped a grenade on himself at Fort Dix rather than in Vietnam, he would never have been a U.S. senator in the first place. Maybe he'd be the best pharmacist in Atlanta, but not a U.S. senator. He got into office on the basis of serving in Vietnam and was thrown out for his performance as a senator.
Cleland wore the uniform, he was in Vietnam, and he has shown courage by going on to lead a productive life. But he didn't "give his limbs for his country," or leave them "on the battlefield." There was no bravery involved in dropping a grenade on himself with no enemy troops in sight. That could have happened in the Texas National Guard which Cleland denigrates while demanding his own sanctification.
TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agitprop; anncoulter; bushhaters; dnctalkingpoints; lyingliars; maxcleland; mediabias; mediaho; shemale; therestofthestory; usefulidiots; wartimeservice
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I leave it to others to carry out the obligatory duty of posting a picture of Ann to go with this latest missive....
To: alloysteel
Cleland did more that just "pick up a grenade". He was playing with that same grenade and made it live and then realized he was a doofus and jumped on it. He should have been discharged.
Also, at the time Bush "got out" of the National Guard, as Ann points out, the war was over and the Guard and Reserves were trying like mad to cut people from their rolls that weren't soldiers because of budget concerns among other reasons.
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posted on
02/11/2004 11:17:06 PM PST
by
Fledermaus
(Democrats are just not capable of defending our nation's security. It's that simple!)
To: alloysteel
This was already posted, but your headline is better.
Any Ann thread should always have her name in the title, IMO.
Regards,
LH
To: alloysteel
OUCH!!! Don't pull any punches, Ann!
To: alloysteel
OK, Anne's correct about how he lost his Senate seat, but let's set the story straight on his service:
Army General Order 4361, dated June 9, 1968, states that the Silver Star was awarded to U.S. Army Capt. Max Cleland "for gallantry in action while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an armed hostile force in Vietnam." In 1968, then Capt. Cleland was in action at the battle of Khe Sanh. Below is the language contained in his Silver Star Order:
"Awarded: Silver Star; Date Action: 4 April 1968; Theater: Republic of Vietnam
"Action: For gallantry in action while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an armed hostile force in the Republic of Vietnam. Captain Cleland distinguished himself by exceptionally valorous action on 4 April 1968, while serving as communications officer of the 2nd Battalion, 12th Calvary during an enemy attack near Khe Sanh, Republic of Vietnam.
"When the battalion command post came under a heavy enemy rocket and mortar attack, Capt. Cleland, disregarding his own safety, exposed himself to the rocket barrage as he left his covered position to administer first aid to his wounded comrades. He then assisted in moving the injured personnel to covered positions. Continuing to expose himself, Capt. Cleland organized his men into a work party to repair the battalion communications equipment which had been damaged by enemy fire. His gallant action is in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service, and reflects great credit upon himself, his unit, and the United States Army.
"Authority: By direction of the President, under the provisions of the Act of Congress, approved 9 July 1968."
The action cited occurred on April 4, 1968, four days before the grenade explosion that cost Sen. Cleland both legs and an arm.
As has been widely reported in the Atlanta Constitution beginning in 1968, then-Capt. Cleland, an Army Signal Officer, volunteered for infantry service to relieve the stranded Marines and members of the Army's 1st Cavalry at the battle of Khe Sanh.
While disembarking from a transport helicopter, Capt. Cleland reached for a grenade he believed had become dislodged from his web gear. Later it was discovered that the grenade belonged to a young soldier new to the theater. That soldier had improperly prepared the grenade pin for easy detonation and had dropped it while coming off the helicopter. The grenade exploded and severely injured Capt. Cleland.
The Silver Star is the third-highest valor decoration of the United States. Sen. Cleland also was awarded a Soldier's Medal, Bronze Star, Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal with Device (1960), Vietnam Service Medal, National Defense Service Medal and Parachutist Badge.
To: alloysteel
" Cleland also expressed outrage that Bush left the National Guard nine months early in 1973 to go to Harvard Business School. On "Hardball," Cleland testily remarked: "I just know a whole lot of veterans who would have loved to have worked things out with the military and adjusted their tour of duty." (Cleland already knows one Al Gore!)"
The 1972 graduating class at West Point was told they could not volunteer for Vietnam,because no more combat troops were being sent over.This was almost a year before George Bush left for Harvard. Kerry served 120 days in Vietnam and after 3 very minor wounds,had his ticket punched early so he could do political work. Maybe Cleland ought to direct his anger at Ho Chi Kerry.
To: alloysteel
How is "Mad" Max Cleland a "war hero?" If the media continues to insist that Cleland is a "war hero," then they should designate Jessica Lynch as one as well.
To: alloysteel
Max Cleland, left a triple amputee from injuries suffered in a war zone....
But NOT from engagement with enemy forces.
The VA will certainly cover this sort of injury, through their medical facilities, which qualifies for long-term rehabilitation and training, and it is more than enough for establishing the right to Specially Adapted Housing, GI life insurance, and a disability pension.
But did he earn a Purple Heart for the injuries involved? Kerry got three, AND retained all his limbs.
Non-combat injuries in and out of war zones account for more than half of all of compensation paid to veterans by VA. Active duty service is itself far more dangerous than most civilian occupations, even in the absence of combat.
To: Fledermaus
That's not the real story. He was hopping into a helicopter when a grenade fell from where he was keeping it. Unbeknownest to him it had snagged on part of his uniform and pulled the pin. He reached down to pick it up and it immediately blew off one arm and a leg. Another leg had to be amputated later.
So it's not like he lost his limbs storming Hanoi on a one man mission but he wasn't playing with it either.
To: rebel_yell2
yum yum that was a tasty serving of coulter...just like i like it juicy and raw...:)
To: MattAMiller
Okay, we'll have to differ since I've read the story the way I posted it.
Can you offer some link or resource where I can find out the truth?
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posted on
02/11/2004 11:33:04 PM PST
by
Fledermaus
(Democrats are just not capable of defending our nation's security. It's that simple!)
To: optimistically_conservative
The action cited occurred on April 4, 1968Isn't that the day MLK was killed?
To: alloysteel
I passed over this article earlier today not realizing it was a Coulter piece. Glad it was posted again while I was paying attention. I didn't know the background surrounding Cleland's loss of limbs. I just presumed it was the result of combat. Learn somethin new everyday.
To: alloysteel
All available evidence keeps confirming Bush's honorable service with the Guard, which leads liberals to conclude ... further investigation is needed! No evidence will ever be enough evidence. That Bush skipped out on his National Guard service is one of liberals' many nondisprovable beliefs, like global warming. Or that Al Gore won Florida or the whole election.
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posted on
02/11/2004 11:41:25 PM PST
by
Ruth A.
To: optimistically_conservative
thanks for posting the citation, clears things up for me...
To: LdSentinal
If the media continues to insist that Cleland is a "war hero," then they should designate Jessica Lynch as one as well. If anybody who was ever in combat gets in the news the media will inevitably at one point or another label that person a war hero.
Within the spheres of Manhattan and LA veterans are semi-mythical creatures. Media sorts may not necessarily respect millitary service but they find it so unutterably rare and remarkable that they simply must find a way to express their wonder at people who were actually in the military. So John Kerry's a war a hero, even if everybody else in the country has a fat uncle with better war stories.
To: alloysteel
I'm surprised that no pundit yet has come up with the real reason the Dems are making such a big dog-n-pony show about Bush's military service.
It's called the flight suit. They know the image Bush secured when he landed on that aircraft carrier and jumped out in that flight suit. And the Democrats, who understand symbolism even more than they understand substance, knew the Bush campaign was sure to revisit that image at re-election time.
Many of the sucker moms and arousal gappers that swooned over Clinton because they believed he was somehow understanding of their needs and protecting them, have a new heartthrob in George W. Bush - someone who actually is protecting them (in a tangible sense) more than Clinton.
Face it, more women than will ever admit (most FReepers excepted, of course), vote according to which candidate makes the cutest couple and which guy looks like he's the more attractive provider.
The Democrats are trying desperately to deflate the massive visceral effects of the flight suit by charging Bush with desertion and dereliction of duty (i.e. the cheating husband). They figure they need the time to build this into a crescendo so that their image of Bush (rich frat boy who skipped out on his military commitment) offsets the one the Republicans will portray (proud husband and father who can land a fighter plane and look good doing it - mission accomplished!).
That's what this whole AWOL mess is about and why the Dems and the media are suddenly smitten with Kerry. They think he's their best answer to the flight suit (proving they don't understand women - Edwards is the one they'd swoon over only Edwards doesn't have a military record).
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posted on
02/11/2004 11:45:18 PM PST
by
Tall_Texan
(Some day I'll have a rock-hard body - once rigor mortis sets in.)
To: Fledermaus
S.C. veterans revelation changed a life
Batesburg-Leesville man surprised ex-senator by correcting an old war story
By CHUCK CRUMBO
Staff Writer
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/7218941.htm All Steve Price remembers about an explosion on a hill in Vietnam is helping a badly wounded soldier.
There was blood all over. I thought he was dead, said Price, who was an infantryman in the Marine Corps back in 1968.
Three decades later Price now a 54-year-old resident of Batesburg-Leesville learned the soldier not only survived but went on to serve as head of the Veterans Administration and a U.S. senator. The soldier was Max Cleland of Georgia.
I was aware of Max Cleland. I had seen him on TV, said Price. But I never had any idea it was the same person who was on the same hill where I was back in 1968.
Price concedes its a pretty wild story. But its also illustrative of the coincidences of life in the military, something the Midlands and the nation will reflect on when Veterans Day is celebrated Tuesday.
On April 4, 1968, Price was with the Charlie Company, 1st Battalion, 1st Marines.
Charlie Company was opening up Route 9 going into Khe Sanh, near the demilitarized zone between the then-separate North and South Vietnams, and had secured a mountaintop.
Cleland, a captain in the Army Signal Corps, and his team flew by helicopter to the hill that Price and Charlie Company held to set up a radio relay tower.
When the helicopter landed, Cleland and his soldiers jumped off and the helicopter immediately ascended.
Then there was an explosion.
Price, who was digging a foxhole, thought the blast might have been an enemy mortar round. It was common for the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese to shoot at landing helicopters, Price said.
This time, a soldier was severely wounded. It was Cleland and he had lost an arm and a leg. His other leg was badly mangled.
David Lloyd, one of Prices buddies in Charlie Company, was among those who rushed to help. He applied a tourniquet to one leg.
I tightened that belt as best as I could, Lloyd said.
Lloyd, Price and other Marines loaded the wounded captain onto a helicopter that hauled him to a field hospital.
The blast was caused by a grenade that had fallen on the ground. It exploded as Cleland reached to pick it up.
For years, Cleland believed he was the one who dropped the grenade, which led to the loss of his right arm and both legs.
Cleland retold the story in 1999 on a History Channel program. Lloyd, who was watching the show at his home in Annapolis, Md., picked up the phone and called Clelands office.
The story, Lloyd said, was wrong.
Lloyd said the blast was caused by another soldiers grenade not Clelands.
Lloyd said he knew because after Cleland was loaded onto the helicopter, another soldier, who had been hit by shrapnel, was crying. Lloyd tried to console the soldier, who said he had dropped the grenade.
The grenade exploded when its cotter pin had fallen out, activating the explosive, said the 57-year-old Lloyd. The soldier told Lloyd that he had straightened the pins so it would be easier to pull them when he had to throw a grenade.
Lloyds revelation, which checked out, changed Clelands life, Cleland has written. For 30 years, Cleland had blamed himself for his injuries.
Lloyd later tracked down Price and told him the story about Cleland.
I remembered the incident. It stood out in my mind, Price said. But that was just about it.
Price met Cleland when he came to South Carolina to attend a Labor Day rally in Charleston for U.S. Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, who was announcing his candidacy for the presidency. Lloyd had passed on the names of Price and other Marines to Cleland.
Price and Cleland, now an adjunct professor at American University in Washington, D.C., had dinner the night before the rally. The next day, during his speech endorsing Kerry, Cleland spotted Price in the audience.
Cleland paused and then told the crowd and viewers watching the rally on C-SPAN that one of the members of a team of wonderful Marines who had saved his life was present.
Steve Price, Cleland said, stand up, brother.
Price rose to a round of applause.
Today, Price considers himself a lucky man. He survived Vietnam, returned home, went to college, married and has raised three children.
Price shrugs off that theres anything special about his link to Cleland on that bloody day in 1968.
Its just a coincidence, Price said. He was just another soldier to me.
Maybe, but theres another coincidence in Prices life linked to that day in 1968.
Prices oldest son is a captain in a Florida Army National Guard Signal Battalion.
Its the same rank and job that Cleland had in the Army.
Reach Crumbo at (803) 771-8503 or
ccrumbo@thestate.com
To: optimistically_conservative
Thanks! I stand informed!
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posted on
02/11/2004 11:50:41 PM PST
by
Fledermaus
(Democrats are just not capable of defending our nation's security. It's that simple!)
To: Fledermaus; MattAMiller
Thanks! I stand informed! You're welcome. Don't blame Matt too much, Max believed it was his grenade for a long time as well.
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