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Conservatives Need to Get Real
The Intellectual Conservative ^ | 02 February 2004 | Scott Shore

Posted on 02/11/2004 11:00:20 AM PST by Lando Lincoln

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To: Lando Lincoln
Conservatives Need to Get Real

It's the Neil Diamond solution:

I am, I said
To no one there
And no one heard at all
Not even the chair
I am, I cried
I am, said I

141 posted on 02/11/2004 1:32:19 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Sloth
Merely wondering if you were part of the sleeper crowd urging others to stay home and defeat Bush....if I am wrong, heartfelt apologies.

It has become increasingly difficult at FR and in other forums, to identify those who have true ideological differences, and those in costume coming to sink our President.
142 posted on 02/11/2004 1:32:38 PM PST by hilaryrhymeswithrich (Herman Cain for the U.S. Senate.....this Georgia man is in YOUR future!)
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To: hilaryrhymeswithrich
THe pious nature of those who consider themselves the "real" conservatives here is is reminicent of liberals telling me how much more they care about minorities, women, children, education, the environment...

No. You are partisans. We are conservatives. Or rightwingers. Or rightwing nuts. Or wingnuts if you prefer. Whatever.

I'm saying that nothing could stop you from supporting your party. And you resent anyone who isn't the same.
143 posted on 02/11/2004 1:36:40 PM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: hilaryrhymeswithrich
"I suppose your frequent chide of those who disagree with you being "unprincipled" is not name calling."

Nope, just the truth!
144 posted on 02/11/2004 1:36:59 PM PST by Henrietta
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To: MJY1288
How many times are you gonna tell us that you aren't going to vote for Bush, <pointless rant>...

In fact, I've never said it. I still hope to vote for him.
145 posted on 02/11/2004 1:39:00 PM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: Howlin
At least we then agree on who are partisans and who are conservatives and which group is the swing vote in '04.
146 posted on 02/11/2004 1:40:17 PM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: Howlin
Before I go and do the chores I have been ignoring (am getting the evil eye from Mr. Hilaryrhymeswithrich) I will say in closing,

I love my President. That does not make me a Bushbot, as some here seem to delight in saying. It merely means that for the things I agree with, he is right on, and for the ways he has disappointed me, I can keep working on him.

My husband, a wonderful man in a million ways, also pisses me off with a certain amount of regularity. He makes some good choices, and some dumb ones. We have three small children who depend on us to know the stuff that really matters and work through the rest.

Sure, I could dump him for the young hot pool boy or, better yet, sit out the courtship thing altogether. But where does that get my kids? Who am I punishing, really, for not towing the line?? Would we all be better off working as a team? He may make a few mistakes now and then, but are they irrevocable errors? Cheating, beating henious errors?? Or are they differences in style? Extremes that I may not argree with but hardly marriage ending.

So to all of you who sit out the Prom or dump W for the pool boy, I say thanks for nothing.
147 posted on 02/11/2004 1:42:06 PM PST by hilaryrhymeswithrich (Herman Cain for the U.S. Senate.....this Georgia man is in YOUR future!)
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To: Henrietta
Well, now that you've taken to using the tactics of my 7 year old, I know where you stand and nanny nanny boo boo to you to
148 posted on 02/11/2004 1:43:41 PM PST by hilaryrhymeswithrich (Herman Cain for the U.S. Senate.....this Georgia man is in YOUR future!)
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To: Miss Marple
How is he stealing your money? Your taxes have gone down!

He's merely handing me a credit card balance that I'll have to pay off down the road.

The deficit will fall as revenue increases, just as it did after Reagan's tax cuts.

The Debt/GDP was declining from 1945 to 1980, from the WWII high of 114% to 32% in 1981. It ballooned again to 60% under Reagan because he had an adversarial congress. It is ballooning again now, but wait...why isn't Bush using his veto to stop spending? Why isn't congress fighting his spending tooth and nail like they did against Clinton?

I must assume you are a conservative of the green eye shade variety, who only cares about your perceived pocketbook, nevermind the threat from terrorists.

Nah. I give Bush credit for fighting abortion, and as I said, gave him a pass on AWB at the time because I believed it was just a pre-election ruse to get the soccar mom's vote. But now I believe he really does want to grab the very guns we may need to blow ali muhammed's turban off his shouders. He could have every airline pilot who so wishes armed right now, but his fed underlings are still holding the process up. I think the Patriot Act is garbage. I think his open borders stance represents a greater terrorist threat than all the cavity searches of granny at the airport combined.

149 posted on 02/11/2004 1:43:41 PM PST by Jim Cane (Vote Tancredo in '04)
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To: Wolfstar
Thanks for some excellent posts.

One thing that you said in passing struck me as something many of us are forgetting now:

But these most definitely are NOT ordinary times.

They haven't been ordinary since 9/11, and I doubt that they're going to go back to "ordinary" again for some time. Perhaps Bush has been too successful in restoring confidence and getting us back to more or less normal again, and we've forgotten.

But if we don't realize this and stop squabbling and get Bush and a bunch of good solid GOP senators in, then I think we're going to be in for a much rougher ride much sooner than we expected. The entire world is waiting to pounce on us if we stumble, and we'd do more than stumble with a Kerry - we'd fall flat on our faces, and we'd be fair game for the wolf pack.

Maybe that's a little apocalyptic of me, but I really see this election as something of crucial importance to our continued future.

150 posted on 02/11/2004 1:43:52 PM PST by livius
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To: George W. Bush
So I guess you'll be belly aching on this forum for the next 9 months about how things aren't like you expect them?
151 posted on 02/11/2004 1:44:43 PM PST by MJY1288 (IF JOHN KERRY IS THE ANSWER, IT MUST BE A STUPID QUESTION)
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To: George W. Bush
Gosh, thanks for proving my point for me. I guess you really are the great definer of the conservatives.
152 posted on 02/11/2004 1:44:49 PM PST by hilaryrhymeswithrich (Herman Cain for the U.S. Senate.....this Georgia man is in YOUR future!)
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To: hilaryrhymeswithrich
Well, clearly you are an unprincipled MarriageBot!

Thanks for that great post!
153 posted on 02/11/2004 1:44:51 PM PST by Howlin
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To: MJY1288; George W. Bush
How many times are you gonna tell us that you aren't going to vote for Bush

I know one thing, his screen name is a misnomer. He is entitled to vote for whom he chooses, and is entitled to all of his opinions. We have a right to respectfully disagree, and I now take that right. Anyone who would, even in the smallest degree, aid and abet the election of a socialist, U.N. loving gigolo, is no conservative.!

154 posted on 02/11/2004 1:45:08 PM PST by woodyinscc
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To: onyx
If you don't vote, then you can't legitimately bitch. A blank vote will make you a "gelding."

I own my vote. I am the sole proprietor of my vote. Your views on the matter don't count.
155 posted on 02/11/2004 1:46:11 PM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: George W. Bush
I'm saying that nothing could stop you from supporting your party.

You're exactly right. And I'm damn proud of it.

Because the ONLY thing standing between ME and the liberals taking over this country IS the Republican Pary.

If you're willing to give it to them, you'll have to live with it.

156 posted on 02/11/2004 1:46:47 PM PST by Howlin
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To: MJY1288
So I guess you'll be belly aching on this forum for the next 9 months about how things aren't like you expect them?

I'd hate to disappoint you.
157 posted on 02/11/2004 1:47:31 PM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: swarthyguy
And I have this picture of taking the last issue from the Dems, maybe calling it Laura!Care.

I like it.

Actually, it scares me...

The problem is that we no longer live in a very conservative country. The old institutions that held society together since time began, which is to say, family, friends, neighbors, are not held in high regard. The idea that people should look after themselves and one another without government intruding is simply not a part of the national dialogue. No one is going for it, and therein lies the rub. If you can't sell it to your neighbor, you aren't going to sell it nationally.

But while we fight that battle out on the homefront, we can't afford to lose it all to the globalists. It is humorous to hear people attacking the US as the supreme globalist, while complaining that we are acting unilaterally. The globalists are the ones who want us to submit to global institutions that none of us elected, which care nothing for the principles we care about.

We are fighting a two front battle. The muslim nutcases are a real foe, and if they manage to get at us they can do real harm. But the other part of the battle is against the people that want us to submit to a supranational authority that none of us elected. Hence Kyoto, hence ICC, UN, and on and on. Hence the belief that US troops under US command are a threat to the world, whereas the same US troops under UN command are suddenly transformed into a positive. The people who espouse this are people who have forgotten, or never knew, what we stand for.

Which is fine, we don't have to elect them into power.

I am disturbed at the direction things are going domestically. Bush has been ineffective in turning things around on that front. But its a democracy, you can't force people to go where they don't want to go, tragic as that may be. But we live to fight another day, if we manage to carry the day on the other fronts, against the people who want to do us harm, and the people that want to rule us without our consent. Those two fronts GW has handled well, and if we lose on those two the third is settled without firing a shot.

So I will hang with him. You have to be realistic, we work with imperfect human tools. Just as a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush, in the current environment, and I heartily encourage all Democrats to vote their conscience and vote Nader, a conservative voter sitting home this November is a vote for the ICC, and Kyoto, and Kofi Annan. And Chirac, and the Belgian judges salivating at the possibility of putting US servicemen on trial.

158 posted on 02/11/2004 1:48:37 PM PST by marron
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To: George W. Bush
It's the Congress, stupid.

Try "It's the voters, stupid." The new coalition of Disgruntle Conservatives and Hateful Liberals want to do to Bush what they did to his father. One side wants to stab him in the back and the other side wants to drive a stake through his heart. What a bunch of sick bastards.

159 posted on 02/11/2004 1:51:23 PM PST by Consort
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To: onyx; KantianBurke; George W. Bush
Your votes won't be missed, because he never had them!

You're both insignificant.

Keep thinking that way...we'll see what happens in November.

160 posted on 02/11/2004 1:52:11 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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