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To: jim35
You have done more singlehandedly to discredit religion in general and Christianity in particular on this thread than anyone I have run across in a long time. You have totally destroyed your Christian influence with people who come in contact with you here.

Had this happened to me, I would have been sure that the pilot was telling us that something was terribly wrong and that we were all likely to die. If we were on the ground, I would have left and loudly told anyone foolish enough to stay that they were CRAZY!

If we were in the air, I would have called 911, called my family and said my final goodbyes, and looked around for the likely terrorist to put into effect my own personal anti-terrorist program. In short, I would have acted pretty much LIKE THESE PASSENGERS ACTUALLY DID.

If anyone looking at all suspicious had made one move toward the cockpit or even the restroom or messed with his shoe, he would have been pounced on and hurt as badly as possible. If that happened, or if someone had managed to take on board an ostensiby innocuous object which could be used as a deadly weapon and was used to kill the suspected "terrorist," or if the plane had been shot down by our air force due to some horrible misunderstanding, the blood would be on the hands of this stupid, idiot, crazy pilot.

I would have felt and acted the same if the pilot had just come back from an estate planning seminar and announced "If you con't have a will raise your hands. You need to speak to someone during this flight about having a will. Don't let this flight go by without handwriting a will using the materials you can get from the flight attendant" Diito if he had returned from a family togetherness seminar and he announced " Have you told your family today that you love them? Call your family right now and tell them so. You never know if this is this last time that you have to talk to them. Share your cell phones with each other."

I couldn't blame these passengers if they had beat the $hiot out of this senile old fool. He should be fired and have his pilot's license revoked.

I have ZERO interest in hearing what you have to say in response, so don't even bother. The only thing that I can figure out is that you ARE this fool of a pilot. There can't be two of you out there who are this dense.
200 posted on 02/11/2004 12:13:15 PM PST by Iwo Jima
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To: Iwo Jima
"...I have ZERO interest in hearing what you have to say in response, so don't even bother..."

Sure, but you had PLENTY of interest in putting in your two cents worth.

"...You have done more singlehandedly to discredit religion in general and Christianity in particular on this thread than anyone I have run across in a long time..."

Really? Maybe I'm the most dangerous man in America now, instead of Rush? What an honor! So, let me guess... you're a Christian, but you don't want to force your beliefs down anyone else's throat. Sure. I've heard that one before from anti-Christians, or Christian-lite's. Did it ever occur to you that I'm coming from the side of freedom, more than from the side of religion? For heaven's sake, I'm not some zealot who thinks I'm a new-age prophet, I just STRONGLY believe in freedom of expression, especially religious expression. ANY religioius expression, except for muslims, with whom we are at war.

"...If we were in the air, I would have called 911, called my family and said my final goodbyes,..."

See my previous post which agrees with the idea that IF this was the general concensus, IF this is how a rational person would have taken such comments, that it would have been ill-conceived. I'm not dense, unlike some of my detractors. My problem is with the automatic, knee-jerk reaction against any public religious utterance, and the punishment that will inevitably follow any such. Why isn't that your problem, too?

"...I would have felt and acted the same if the pilot had just come back from an estate planning seminar and announced "If you (d)on't have a will raise your hands"..."

How do you know how you would have reacted? Have you read what the pilot's words were? Read his actual statements again, not just what CNN reported them as. If you'd interpret those statements this way, you're just looking for an excuse. But, like I said, if the statements and the question were really so villainous as to frighten the passengers in such a way, then it was a mistake by the pilot. But what do you suppose the pilot's actual intentions were?

"...I couldn't blame these passengers if they had beat the $hiot out of this senile old fool. He should be fired and have his pilot's license revoked..."

I think that's just a tad bit harsh, don't you? Do you really attribute such evil intentions to this guy? Does the punishment need to be so radical? You sound very childish here. Maybe a public beating isn't the best solution. Perhaps you have an agenda? Maybe you should be thanking me for "discredit(ing) religion in general."

"...If we were in the air, I would have called 911..."

Hello, 911? The pilot just asked the Christians on the plane to raise their hands. Send help, fast! I think he may be carrying a Bible!!! Yeah, another Christian extremist. Spare me. Do you remember which religion is hijacking our planes? Let me give you a hint. It's not Christians.

"...The only thing that I can figure out is that you ARE this fool of a pilot. There can't be two of you out there who are this dense..."

Sure there can. Maybe there are even THREE of us. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Who knows what Christianity lurks in the hearts of men? Hint; It ain't The Shadow. You know, you don't have to be a Christian to tolerate free speech. Don't make the mistake of assuming that I'm some sort of lay-preacher. I'm just a conservative who supports freedom. BTW, should all of the passengers have "beat the $hiot out of this senile old fool," or just the strong young Aryans among them? After all, some of the passengers may not have been physically fit enough to properly kick, hit or stomp the old fool. Maybe some of the weaker among them could just have spit on him.




218 posted on 02/13/2004 8:50:40 AM PST by jim35 (A third party vote is a vote for the DemocRATs.)
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