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Hey, personal attacks I can handle. (Indifference, however, is much harder to endure ;))

Honestly, 'reasoned' debates over God are rarely very useful. Too many folks disagree. Words are symbols that have to undergo translations. Spiritual code books are stifling.

I know that my own 'classical liberal critical thinking skeptical' training served me very well for functional purposes, career success, and society's recognition of a job well done. It also led me to the logical rejection of how 'God' was being sold to me. I won't dull you with the resultant mundane impact on my personal situation, but it's a common enough story I'm not proud to be part of.

"certrain people (like you)..."

I can't really vouch for how others perceive God's attitude toward us. My own is deeply colored by lots of O.T. reading that began in earnest in May 2001. On the whole, the O.T. reveals to me a God that is deeply jealous toward us, for us (at first, the jews of course).

Over the last many decades, American society has dramatically become a zoloft-loving, navel gazing mess. Hardships we've always had. But, these days, the American spirit is one shot through with lies for the most part, ubiquitous lies and above all, lies about how we conduct ourselves sexually.

There is this huge school of thought being sold out there that folks who married in the 1910's are no different than the folks today. I have talked to countless baby boomers, and countless numbers of their predecessors. My parents come from the boom generation....and I don't like them much, for even now, they struggle and struggle with navel gazing nonsense. Too many of their peers are like them, and for too long, I followed their example.

The older the American I meet, the more I generally like them. I have a few very old relatives, who in their day were considered the liberals. They sound like rabid right wingers relatively. And their attitudes are much less 'survivor' in outlook - more like 'server'.

I'm rambling. Bottom line, I don't 'feel' God is angry. I discern, based on my understanding of the ot and nt, and my own 'unreasonable' relationship with Him that his desire to protect us is diminishing.

Not meaning to sound gloomy or doomy. But, the ot is pretty clear regarding God's motives in how he uses the enemies of his people to 'turn their hearts'. The nt is pretty clear about how within my own circle I'm expected to conduct myself.

In truth, abortion, here and elsewhere, has gained its ground because of an unwillingness to face God's expectations of us. Here I think I'm going to add what I really think to this topic. I think the majority of men are largely boys trapped inside adult male bodies.

I think feminism is just like abortion in this aspect. Mold that naturally grows in the absence of manly living. We men are solely to blame for the rise in abortion and feminism. For our women are not being properly loved as a man should love a woman. And that is because we men are not properly loving our God. Generally speaking of course. Here in Freeperland, I sense an enormous number of folks are getting it right. (Whew, that was a close one!!)

And so, given the grace of freewill, He allows the mold to grow, and gives us the experience of the dirt. I believe the word at play for this is 'mercy'.

So, how is that for a stab at helping you understand my perspective?