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The Confederate battle flag continues to be a symbol of regional pride
freelancestar ^ | 2/10/2004 | BUFFY RIPLEY

Posted on 02/10/2004 6:16:00 AM PST by stainlessbanner

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To: stand watie
I don't know who is worse, this TURKEY or some of the IDIOTS who defended him. I particularly like the logic of Ken Jackson (professor of history at Columbia University) -- he did not read the book, did not care if it is accurate -- the TURKEY won the Bancroft Prize and that is that.

It was fun reading the defenses as the myth continued to disintegrate.
1,041 posted on 03/11/2004 7:39:13 PM PST by nolu chan
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To: nolu chan
it sure is!

free dixie NOW,sw

1,042 posted on 03/12/2004 7:14:36 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: capitan_refugio; stand watie
Here we go again......

We just discussed on the other thread the business of making McPherson's and Foner's "It Was All About Slavery" argument. This is "It Was All About Slavery" Lite.

The point of the argument is to level a moral inculpation at modern Southerners (and split the conservative bloc) by bracketing them with the Confederates, having engaged in a few rounds of facile reductionist argument that the Confederates were just a bunch of Legrees who were "all about slavery". It's not history when Foner and McPherson do this, it's left-wing, Hobbesian, statist, and vanguardist polemic against Jeffersonianism.

Furthermore, when the argument is couched in those terms, it isn't even an argument, since it's really an extended and elaborate form of ad hominem argument, combined with bracketing and guilt by association. All of which are fallacious -- but they work, so propagandists use them.

1,043 posted on 10/03/2004 9:55:07 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
they work because about 90% of the country is too IGNORANT of the most basic points of historical truth to know any better.

thank the "publick screwls edumakashhun" for that.

free dixie,sw

1,044 posted on 10/03/2004 10:32:36 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: capitan_refugio
for the 5-6% of southerners that were slaveOWNERS what you say is true. for the rest of the southland's citizens the war was ONLY about freedom for the new southron nation & getting the damnyankees boot off our collective necks PERMANENTLY.

as the Mercury was a mouthpiece for the plantation aristocracy, i'm NOT surprised at their editorial policy. the Mercury was then , in their own way, as UN-biased as the "NY SLIMES" is today.

free dixie,sw

1,045 posted on 10/03/2004 10:38:05 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: r9etb
fyi, check out # 991-1000 this thread for more information.

btw, welcome to the WBTS threads. sit down, read,converse & learn. there's a BUNCH of smart people who hang out over here.

free dixie,sw

1,046 posted on 10/03/2004 10:55:55 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: stand watie
I've got to give you credit, stand; that is the longest-delayed replay I've had in a long, long time! How did you dig up a March post? Now I have to go back and re-read that thread to figure out what it was about - although I do specifically recall the Charleston Mercury editorial - the Mercury was the mouthpiece of the Rhett family.
1,047 posted on 10/03/2004 10:45:55 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: lentulusgracchus
"We just discussed on the other thread the business of making McPherson's and Foner's "It Was All About Slavery" argument. This is "It Was All About Slavery" Lite."

I am familiar with neither argument. I have always maintained that the original Northern motivation was, as Lincoln stated, to preserve the Union. Although abolition was a constant Republican undercurrent, Lincoln initially realized the political realities of maintaining within the Union the important border "slave" states.

For the South, it can not be denied that the preservation of the institution of slavery was one of the most important, if not the most important, factor in their motivation for unilateral secession.

Southern motivations in the ante-bellum period should have no bearing on political considerations today. The key to preserving conservative-valued control of the government is the South, Midwest & West alliance. Although you may not believe it, even on the West Coast (California, Oregon, and Washington), the liberals only maintain political control in the few populous urban centers (refer back to the 2000 election "County" map), or even the results of the 2003 California recall election. San Francisco and Los Angeles are increasingly marginalized.

The best way to avoid sharing Southern blame for the ACW is to renounce the principles upon which the insurrection was based and to cease glorifying those who led the insurrection. It is not enough to condemn the practice, while praising the practitioners.

1,048 posted on 10/03/2004 11:06:40 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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