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Opec considers ditching the dollar
Business Report ^ | 9/10/04 (Asia)

Posted on 02/09/2004 2:28:19 PM PST by Rams82

Opec considers ditching the dollar

Algiers- As the US dollar continues its slide against world currencies, should oil, the most valuable global commodity, now be priced in euros?

The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (Opec) is having a think about the relative merits of abandoning the greenback for the European single currency, and some analysts expect it to be discussed at the powerful oil cartel's special meeting in Algiers on Tuesday.

"I would be surprised if the question was not examined" in Algiers, a source close to Opec said at the cartel's Vienna headquarters.

Opec's current secretary general, the Venezuelan Alvaro Silva, recently indicated that the question was being mulled by the 11-member group, which has massive influence over global oil prices and production.

"We are speaking about negotiating for crude in euros. It is possible that the organization will discuss this and take a decision at a given moment", Silva said.

Qatar's energy minister, Abdullah bin Hamad al-Attiya, admitted that oil-producing states were worried in mid-January, when the euro hit an unprecedented high of $1.2898. But, he added, "the passage from one currency to another is a difficult decision."

After its free-fall slide in January, the dollar has recovered slightly to hover around 1.27 to the euro, but countries are still reeling from the currency instability while exporters who price their goods in dollars have complained of continued drop in profits.

At Opec's last meeting, held in Vienna in December, the member states, responsible for one-third of the world's oil production, complained that their oil profits were down 25 to 30 percent due solely to dependence on the dollar.

Adopting the euro, the currency of 12 of the European Union's 15 current members, would call for a major overhaul in world oil trading, but the idea has been circulating since before its introduction in 2002 .

At a conference on the "hidden threats of currency crises" back in March 2001, Venezuela's ambassador to Russia Francisco Mieres-Lopez first publicly evoked a possible switch.

"With all this talking, the euro makes slowly and surreptitiously its way in the price fixing mechanism," an analyst at the Dresdner-Kleinwort-Wasserstein brokerage firm in London said.

"What's more, Russia, one of Opec's competitors, has been threatening for several months now to switch its oil market to euros", the source said.

The question has now built into a behind-the-scenes battle of minds at Opec, which groups Algeria, Kuwait, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Qatar, Libya, Nigeria Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Venezuela.

Post-war Iraq remains outside of the cartel's quota system, which has currently fixed the group's output at 24.5 million barrels per day.

Saudi Oil Minister Ali al-Nouaimi, whose country is considered the cartel's heavyweight, Opec Secretary General Purnomo Yusgiantoro of Indonesia and Algerian Energy Minister Chakib Khelil have ruled out switching to the euro.

Their Opec partners, however, are not as categorical.

"If the dollar/euro value remains the same in 2004 as in 2003, prices will climb to unrealistic levels," said Hojjatollah Ghanimifard, acting deputy for international affairs at the National Iranian Oil Company.

A trader at the Rothschild bank in London added: "Trading in petrol involves enormous sums of money. If the dollar loses its role as a currency of reference, the United States, the world's largest oil importer, will no longer be able to have outside countries finance its abyssal trade deficit."

He said it was unlikely that the price of crude would be quoted in euros in the near future but down the line prices could be fixed in line with a "basket" of currencies -- "dollar, euro or yen". - AFP


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News
KEYWORDS: currency; dollar; euro; notgonnahappen; oil; opec; reservecurrency
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To: Rams82
If the US is the largest consumer of oil and other goods produces throughout the world, what sense would it make to try to hurt our economy? Are these people really that stupid? We are a country which can turn on a dime if we have to.

The minute oil is no longer profitable, you'll see cars running on dirt!
21 posted on 02/09/2004 2:57:45 PM PST by tonyinv (There will be no "news at 11" only spin.)
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To: tonyinv
Many in OPEC believe the E.U. will replace America in all these areas. Some believe a switch would speed that replacement up. But as was said before it could have a negative impact on the Euro.
22 posted on 02/09/2004 3:01:13 PM PST by Rams82
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To: Rams82
Ive heard some rumors about them wanting to switch to the new Malaysian Gold Dinar but I don't know if there is any truth to these rumors.
23 posted on 02/09/2004 3:03:45 PM PST by Rams82
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To: Rams82
This article [requires Adobe Acrobat] from last year suggests the mooted switch from US dollar to Euro by the oil-producing countries may be one reason we went to war with Iraq.

Iraq, incidentally, was the first oil producing country to propose it.

24 posted on 02/09/2004 3:05:54 PM PST by Middle Man
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To: Rams82
I dont think that would be to popular with the non-muslim OPEC members.
25 posted on 02/09/2004 3:06:00 PM PST by Rams82
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To: rohry; Wyatt's Torch; arete; meyer; DarkWaters; STONEWALLS; TigerLikesRooster; Ken H; MrNatural; ...
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26 posted on 02/09/2004 3:22:03 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: tonyinv
what sense would it make to try to hurt our economy?

What sense did it make to fly commercial airplanes filled with innocent civilians into office towers killing thousands more..

27 posted on 02/09/2004 3:26:32 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Rams82
Oil should be priced in Pesos. ;-)
28 posted on 02/09/2004 5:39:06 PM PST by HP8753 (My cat doesn't find humor in static electricity.I, on the other hand, find it quite amusing.)
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To: arkfreepdom
Whatever. If they think any currency is going to be more stable than the dollar in the long run....have at it.

A currency that constantly loses value is NOT a stable currency.

29 posted on 02/09/2004 5:42:16 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup (Voting for a lesser evil is still an evil act and therefore evil...)
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To: Rams82
It really doesn't matter what they price it in. If oil is priced in dollars and the dollar declines in price, then oil will sell for higher dollars/barrel. It is only the shift in value from the date a contract is signed until the date of payment that matters. And that only matters if you have large Euro or other currency expenses. If in fact the Arabs have signed long term dollar contracts, have large non-dollar expenses - and were stupid enough not to hedge that exposure, that is the only situation in which it should impact them negatively.

On the same train of thought, it really doesn't matter to us if they do change to the Euro, so all you conspiracy theorists who think that why we went to war over it need to explain why we would go to war over something that doesn't really matter.

30 posted on 02/09/2004 6:03:08 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: arkfreepdom
Except the US is very clearly engaged in a concerted attempt to devalue the dollar. And it's definitely working.

http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DXY0&v=d6

31 posted on 02/09/2004 6:04:18 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (You get more with a gun and a smile than just a smile itself!)
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To: Rams82
They are stupid if they think by waiting this long to make a decision is wise. In a case of Real Good Timing, they do this and as soon as the ECB lowers interest rates, which will happen, the trend will start going in the other direction and the dollar will rally. If the Fed ups rates, the Euro will crash.

Then, we can buy oil nice and cheap.

32 posted on 02/09/2004 7:52:00 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Rams82
Bush would look like Gray Davis.
33 posted on 02/10/2004 11:54:39 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("You can dip a pecan in gold, but it's still a pecan"-- Deep Thoughts by JC Watts)
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To: TexanAmerican
It would take at least 7 years and possibly longer to get use out of ANWR crude.
34 posted on 02/10/2004 11:58:15 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("You can dip a pecan in gold, but it's still a pecan"-- Deep Thoughts by JC Watts)
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Note: this topic is from 2/9/2004.
OPEC Has Already Turned to the Euro
GoldMoney Alert
February 18, 2004
...The source for the euro exchange rate is the Federal Reserve, and I have calculated the euro's average exchange rate to the dollar for each year based on daily data.
US Imports of Crude oil
(1)
(2)
(3)
(4)
(5)
(6)
Year
Quantity (thousands of barrels)
Value (thousands of US dollars)
Unit price (US dollars)
Average daily US$ per € exchange rate
Unit price (euros)

2001

3,471,066
74,292,894
21.40
0.8952
23.91
2002
3,418,021
77,283,329
22.61
0.9454
23.92
2003
3,673,596
99,094,675
26.97
1.1321
23.82
We can see from column (4) in the above table that in 2001, each barrel of imported crude oil cost $21.40 on average for that year. But by 2003 the average price of a barrel of crude oil had risen 26.0% to $26.97 per barrel. However, the important point is shown in column (6). Note that the price of crude oil in terms of euros is essentially unchanged throughout this 3-year period.

As the dollar has fallen, the dollar price of crude oil has risen. But the euro price of crude oil remains essentially unchanged throughout this 3-year period. It does not seem logical that this result is pure coincidence. It is more likely the result of purposeful design, namely, that OPEC is mindful of the dollar's decline and increases the dollar price of its crude oil by an amount that offsets the loss in purchasing power OPEC's members would otherwise incur. In short, OPEC is protecting its purchasing power as the dollar declines.

35 posted on 12/23/2011 6:38:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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