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To: presidio9
It's telling that his survey stops at 1950 – just before feminism and civil rights gave non-dead, white males more room to flex their scientific and creative muscle.

Yup. Murray took books written almost exclusively by white men during a time when white men prevented nonwhites from competing on an equal field to invent things. Then he claims that white men invented everything. Well, yeah, because nobody else was allowed to.

56 posted on 02/06/2004 2:35:02 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: xm177e2
http://www.audiblox2000.com/dyslexia_dyslexic/dyslexia014.htm

What are IQ tests really testing? That I can spin a rubiks cube faster than some other people? I took the IQ test, what a snore.
58 posted on 02/06/2004 2:40:10 PM PST by cyborg
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To: xm177e2
If white "oppression" is responsible for non-whites' relative lack of inventiveness, please explain the following:


Why was it whites who "oppressed" non-whites, and not the other way around? Why didn't black Africans build ships, colonize France, and enslave the inhabitants?

Why is it that blacks do better when they live around whites, and not the other way around? If white "oppression" held them down, we should expect the poorest blacks to be the ones living in white lands, and the richest being the ones most removed from the white race. Black tribes in Sub-Sahara Africa, which for millennia had never once encountered a white person, let alone been "oppressed" by them, had no written languages and had not invented the wheel when white explorers first encountered them. How far those blacks subsequently advanced depended on how much white presence there was in their territory. South African blacks, for example, became the wealthiest blacks on the continent because whites moved there in large numbers. More whites meant more prosperity and opportunity for blacks.
93 posted on 02/06/2004 3:12:15 PM PST by puroresu
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To: xm177e2
"Then he claims that white men invented everything."

He claimed no such thing. I havent read the book, but did he neglect Confucius, Al-Gebra, etc.

" Well, yeah, because nobody else was allowed to."

Well, that's specious. Fact is *MOST* people *PERIOD* in history havent had the oppotunity to scientists, inventors, artists, etc. MOST PEOPLE - MEN AND WOMEN - WERE PEASANTS!

But the Europeans civilizations of course did nothing at all to prevent Arab civilizations, India, China, African societies, or Mayans from doing their thing. Curiously, while non-European cultures had many advances, from about 1400 on Europe was way out in front of the rest of civilization.

It seems strange to "blame" Murray for reporting THE TRUTH; it's like blaming a historian for the fact that Atilla the Hun sacked Rome, as if reporting on it means approval. I suspect that we have been so propogandized that it was a 'bad thing' that white males dominate, that we TAKE OFFENSE AT HEARING THE TRUTH about the achievements of dead white european males. Yet the truth is civilization is built on the achievements of a tiny number (relative to total population) of such men. This is imho the real lesson of the ugly screed posted at the top of this thread. She cant handle certain truths.
109 posted on 02/06/2004 3:34:50 PM PST by WOSG (Support Tancredo on immigration. Support BUSH for President!)
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