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To: ctonious
"Well, go tell the NSA, the Army, and the CIA about all that. I'm sure they'll listen to your informed and considered opinion."

Yes, remote viewers clearly work. That's why we've caught Bin Ladin, and found the Iraqi WMD's....

I fund it funny that you, a Freeper, are defending one of the most wasteful government programs ever.
373 posted on 02/07/2004 8:05:12 AM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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To: adam_az
Yes, remote viewers clearly work. That's why we've caught Bin Ladin, and found the Iraqi WMD's....

I fund it funny that you, a Freeper, are defending one of the most wasteful government programs ever.

The problem with Remote Viewing is that it's not very reliable. It's like a telescope that works sometimes - and other times not at all. But there's no such thing as being a little bit pregnant. If one can see Jupiter sometimes - and sometimes not at all - it doesn't mean that the telescope principle is BS - it means it's not at all well understood.

Also, I never defended the program nor attacked it. That was never the issue. What I am stating is that there is a phenomena beyond mere "oxygen deprivation" - or possibly invoked by oxygen deprivation - which involves ESP, sensing at a distance, or whatever one wants to call it - which is beyond what is currently understood by conventional physics. Below is a somewhat neutral article on the track record of the publicly known parts of the program - but one which at least acknowledges the phenomena.

Washington Post 30 December 1996 Military Psychic Unit's 'Hits' and Misses

by Jack Anderson and Jan Moller

An important U.S. Army general was kidnapped in Italy by the Red Brigades terrorists. The U.S. government pulled out all the stops, shook up every intelligence source and scanned every photo but had no luck locating the general. The government turned to the ghost-finders -- an ultra-secret psychic unit run by the Army under the code name "Project Grill Flame." Three psychics turned their "remote viewing" vision to find Brig. Gen. James Dozier, being held by the brutal terrorists, in late 1981.

One remote viewer, Joe McMoneagle, was particularly successful. He zeroed in on the room where Dozier was held, chained to a wall heater. He described it, but couldn't get the house number. Yet he did get the location, the Italian city of Padua.

More at http://www.mceagle.com/remote-viewing/pub/news/96dec30-wp.html

More successes detailed here at:
http://www.subversiveelement.com/Mind_Control_Star_Gate.html

And the truly phenomenal successes we will probably never hear about...if they're doing their jobs right.

376 posted on 02/08/2004 6:33:18 PM PST by ctonious
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