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To: visualops
"It is absurb to take a few short relationships, and one very long one, and say that compares with a lifetime of short relationships."

It is much more absurd to compare two groups of people, selecting only the longest relationships from one, and comparing them to the AVERAGE (combining long and short) relationships of the other, which is what was done in this study comparing straight marriages to gay relationships. My point was not that all gays have long and monogamous relationships. My point was that this is a crappy study.

"Fact is, long term gay relationships are not common, or they'd have no problem providing examples, as the gay community itself would be an example."

They've generally got no problem providing examples (note some of the recent court cases on the topic). There are plenty of long-term gay couples, most of them lesbian (gay men don't seem to fare as well). However, you can't draw a lot of conclusions from mere examples. It sure seems likely that there are fewer long-term monogamous gay couples than straight couples, but you shouldn't use this study to make that point.
587 posted on 02/10/2004 2:48:32 PM PST by Kahonek
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To: Kahonek
You keep talking about some "study", and I have no idea what you are referencing.
The information I am using is from various articles I've read, statistics I've seen, as well as what I know of gays personally.
588 posted on 02/10/2004 4:00:53 PM PST by visualops (I'm still trying to figure out why kamikaze pilots wore helmets.)
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To: Kahonek
I'll also reiterate, none of that has anything to do with whether or not gays should be able to get legally married.
That argument is not an "equal rights" or "tolerance" issue. Marriage isn't about "2 people", it's a cornerstone of a moral society. Like it or not, you cannot have moral relativism and attempt to equalize everything, and still have a society and a civilization that leads to the betterment of mankind.
All the rationalizations about how well or not gays are able to maintain relationships is irrelevant.
Note I have no idea what your opinion is on this, but that's part of mine.
589 posted on 02/10/2004 4:21:27 PM PST by visualops (I'm still trying to figure out why kamikaze pilots wore helmets.)
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