Denying Evolution Is Denying Biology

NY Times ^ | 2/2/04

[70times7]

People rarely doubt their mechanic, nor do they doubt their doctor, or a police detective when they make determinations based on available evidence.

No doubt you came to this conclusion through logical scientific methods.

[Sloth]

Rather, it is the single unifying concept of modern biology. It unites all areas of biology, from ecology to physiology to biochemistry and beyond. Without it, students are denied a framework to understand how these different areas are related and interdependent.

Evolutionary theory should be covered in biology classes, but to claim that it is foundational to understanding the rest of biology is an absurd lie. It is not "the single unifying concept of modern biology" by any stretch of the imagination.

[ThinkPlease]

No doubt you came to this conclusion through logical scientific methods.

Since I've been studying in a scientific field for the past 12 years, yes, I have.

[tiamat]

Conspiracy Guy wrote:

I hate biology.

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Oooh! How sad! You shouldn't hate it! Biology is the coolest science there is!

Of course, I'm biased. My dad was a biologist! LOL!

;-)

Tia

[Shryke]

And conservtives always underestimate it's effects on our (social) thinking. It (the effect on out thinking) has resulted in gradually accepting the slow drift downward of every principle, attitude, and standard we have.

Are you stating that evolutionary theory is responsible for our personal and social "decline"?

Advocating unchanging standards is met by social ridicule, not agreement and approval, even on FR.

What's this mean? We should never advocate change/growth? Sometimes?

[spunkets]

"Some of the greatest biologist and scientist don't believe in evolution. The vast majority of biology has nothing to do with evolution."

Ridiculous!

[Always Right]

Ridiculous!

Wow, what a reBUTTal.

[spunkets]

It's not intended to be a rebuttal. Others on the thread already and others that will show up later will provide the rebuttal that you will again ignore. The fact is that evolution is supported by and is consistent with biology. There are also no great scientists that dismiss evolution, because holding status of great scientist demands they acknowledge the known truth of the matter. My comment was simply given w/o elaboration.

[Shryke]

Wow, what a reBUTTal.

It's somewhat pointless rebutting absurd statements, no? I'll demonstrate:

The vast majority of Exodus has nothing to do with Moses.

[Stellar Dendrite]

evolution is a communist propaganda theory.
it is a way to get individuals to question god, and often leads one to atheism. marx, hitler, and stalin loved darwin's theories.

the scopes monkey trial was a sham put on by the aclu (which was founded by communists). they put an ad in the paper asking if any teacher would like to challenge the tennessee law requiring creationism-only education.

http://www.seekfind.net/dinosaurs/evolution/Evolution_And_The_Scopes_Monkey_Trial.html

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21776

[montag813]

I don't get the big controversy over evolution. Evidence clearly supports this fact over 2 centuries. Why does this offend some people's religious beliefs? I see evolution as inseperable from creationism, and not at all mutually exclusive. Who else but the Lord could devise such a wonderfully complex system?

[Stellar Dendrite]

im not saying darwin is a communist, he himself questioned his theory, and renounced it on his deathbed.....it was adopted by the marxists for disinformational purposes.

[Stellar Dendrite]

Following is WORLDNETDAILY’s January 11 2003 interview with James Perloff on his book The Case Against Darwin. ©2003 WorldNetDaily.com.

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QUESTION: Your new book is just 83 pages—and the type is large. What gives?

ANSWER: This past March I got a call from Ohio. There has been a battle there to allow critical examination of evolutionary theory in public schools, and a gentleman wanted 40 copies of “Tornado” to give to state legislators and school board members. I was delighted to send him the books, but I also knew that a state legislator isn’t likely to pick up anything 321 pages long.

QUESTION: And not just state legislators.

ANSWER: Right. We live in an age when parents often don’t have time to read anything long, and their kids, who are usually more into video, may not have the inclination.

QUESTION: So what’s the focus of this book?

ANSWER: I’ve divided it into three chapters. The first is called “Is Darwin’s Theory Relevant to Our Lives?” In other words, is the subject of this book worth my time or not? A lot of people think this is simply a science issue. And to some of them, science is booooring. But actually, it’s the teaching of Darwin’s theory as a “fact” that starts many young people doubting the existence of God. Once we stop believing in God, we discard his moral laws and start making up our own rules, which is basically why our society is in so much trouble. In short, Darwinism is very relevant—it’s much more than a science matter.

QUESTION: You yourself were an atheist for many years, were you not, as a result of evolutionary teaching?

ANSWER: That’s right. I thought evolution had discredited the Bible. In my books, I give examples of notables who became atheists from being taught evolution, such as Stalin and Carnegie. In fact, this atheist Boy Scout who’s been in the news reportedly attributes his atheism to being taught evolution.

QUESTION: Why do you think evolution has such a persuasively negative effect on faith?

ANSWER: First, it’s taught as “scientific fact.” When kids hear “scientific fact,” they think “truth.” Who wants to go against truth? Second, it’s the only viewpoint that’s taught. After the Supreme Court kicked God out of schools in the ‘60s, kids heard the evolutionist viewpoint exclusively. It’s like going to a courtroom—if you only heard the prosecutor’s summation, you would probably think the defendant guilty. But if you only heard the defendant’s attorney, you’d think “innocent.” The truth is, we need to hear both sides, and kids haven’t been getting it on the subject of origins.

QUESTION: OK, then what?

ANSWER: The second chapter is “Evidence Against the Theory of Evolution.” Let’s face it, no matter what Darwinism’s social ramifications, that alone would not be a sufficient basis to criticize it, if it were scientifically proven true.

QUESTION: In a nutshell—if that’s possible - what is the scientific evidence against Darwinism?

ANSWER: In the book, I focus on six areas of evidence. First, mutations - long claimed by evolutionists to be the building blocks of evolutionary change - are now known to remove information from the genetic code. They never create higher, more complex information - even in the rare cases of beneficial mutations, such as bacterial resistance to antibiotics. That has been laid out by Dr. Lee Spetner in his book “Not By Chance.”

QUESTION: What else?

ANSWER: Second, cells are now known to be far too complex to have originated by some chance concurrence of chemicals, as Darwin hypothesized and is still being claimed. We detail that in the book. Third, the human body has systems, such as blood clotting and the immune system, that are, in the words of biochemist Michael Behe, “irreducibly complex,” meaning they cannot have evolved step-by-step. Behe articulated that in his book “Darwin’s Black Box.” And then there is the whole issue of transitional forms.

QUESTION: What is a transitional form?

ANSWER: Darwin’s theory envisioned that single-celled ancestors evolved into invertebrates (creatures without a backbone), who evolved into fish, who evolved into amphibians, who evolved into reptiles, who evolved into mammals. Now, a transitional form would be a creature intermediate between these. There would have to be a great many for Darwin’s theory to be true.

QUESTION: Are there?

ANSWER: There are three places to look for transitional forms. First, there’s the living world around us. We see that it is distinctly divided - you have invertebrates, fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals. But we don’t see transitionals between them. If these creatures ever existed, why did none survive? It is too easy to explain it away by saying they all became extinct. And of course, there is the question of: why aren’t these creatures evolving into each other today? Why aren’t invertebrates evolving into fish today? Why aren’t fish growing little legs and so forth?

QUESTION: Where else would you look for a transitional form?

ANSWER: In the fossil record. And here we have a problem of almost comparable magnitude. We find no fossils showing how the invertebrates evolved, or demonstrating that they came from a common ancestor. That’s why you hear of the “Cambrian explosion.” And while there are billions of fossils of both invertebrates and fish, fossils linking them are missing. Of course, there are some transitional fossils cited by evolutionists. However, two points about that. First, there should be a lot more if Darwin’s theory is correct. Second, 99 percent of the biology of an organism is in its soft anatomy, which you cannot access in a fossil - this makes it easy to invest a fossil with a highly subjective opinion. The Piltdown Man and the recent Archaeoraptor are examples of how easy it is to be misled by preconceptions in this arena.

QUESTION: What is the other place where you can look for transitional forms?

ANSWER: Microscopically, in the cell itself. Dr. Michael Denton, the Australian molecular biologist, examined these creatures on a molecular level and found no evidence whatsoever for the fish-amphibian-reptile-mammal sequence. He summarized his findings in his book “Evolution: A Theory in Crisis.”
The last chapter is “Reevaluating Some Evidences Used to Support the Theory” of evolution. That would include evidences that have been discredited, and also some evidences presented as proof that in fact rest on assumptions.

QUESTION: What evidences have been discredited?

ANSWER: Ernst Haeckel’s comparative embryo drawings. The human body being laden with “vestigial structures” from our animal past. Human blood and sea water having the same percentage of salt. Babies being born with “monkey tails.” These are not foundational evidences, but they still hold sway in the public mind.

QUESTION: What about - you said assumptions as proofs?

ANSWER: Yes. Anatomical similarities between men and animals are said to prove common ancestry. But intelligent design also results in innumerable similarities, as in the case of two makes of automobile. Also, what has been called “microevolution”- minor adaptive changes within a type of animal - is extrapolated as evidence for “macroevolution” - the changing of one kind of animal into another. However, a species is normally endowed with a rich gene pool that permits a certain amount of variation and adaptation. Certainly, those things happen. But the change is ordinarily limited to the confines of the gene pool. It doesn’t mean a fish could adapt its way into being a human.

QUESTION: You covered a lot of this ground in “Tornado in a Junkyard.” Can readers expect something new from “The Case Against Darwin?”

ANSWER: There is a bit of new material, but no, if you’ve read “Tornado,” or for that matter, if you read the July 2001 Whistleblower, where we looked at evolution, you already know most of the points. What’s new is the size. This is a book to give to a busy friend, a book for a high school student to share with his science teacher

[Always Right]

It's not intended to be a rebuttal.

Obviously.

Others on the thread already and others that will show up later will provide the rebuttal that you will again ignore.

Really, I rarely get into evolution discussions on FR and certainly don't ignore legitimate arguments.

The fact is that evolution is supported by and is consistent with biology. There are also no great scientists that dismiss evolution, because holding status of great scientist demands they acknowledge the known truth of the matter.

I never denied evolution, I was simply saying that the Evolution lobby in Biology overemphases its importance. Most great work in Biology have nothing to do with evolution. For instance, I don't see why someone has to believe in evolution to cure cancer.

My comment was simply given w/o elaboration.

And your comment was 'ridiculous'.

[Junior]

My goodness. The Luddites are in a fine fettle today...

[Junior]

My goodness. The Luddites are in a fine fettle today...

[Always Right]

It's somewhat pointless rebutting absurd statements, no?

My statement was no more pointless than this hypocritical article. I think most of the bullying going on in the Biology circle is by the evolutionists. They hold up the Theory of Evolution as the holy grail of Biology and anyone who dares says anything against it is cast out as an idiot. There was a Biology professor in Texas last year that made students renounce any belief in devine intervention before he would give them a recomendation for med school.

[spunkets]

"evolution is a communist propaganda theory.

Evolution is entirely a biogical theory. It has nothing to do with communism and has nothing in common with communism.

"it is a way to get individuals to question god, and often leads one to atheism."

It is not. It is simply a scientific theory that explains reality. Since God is responsible for that reality, is always truthful and never decieves, evolution is God's also.

" marx, hitler, and stalin loved darwin's theories."

They also loved food. Does that mean folks that eat are communists?

" the scopes monkey trial was a sham put on by the aclu (which was founded by communists). they put an ad in the paper asking if any teacher would like to challenge the tennessee law requiring creationism-only education."

Evolution is a scientific theory. Creationism is an untruth propagated by some religious folks that fail to acknowledge the truth of the matter. Creationism is also a religious doctrine that has no place being taught in public schools, other than mention in historical context.

Also, the ACLU did not write the Bill of Rights. There should be no teaching of such doctrine as truth when it is both untrue and only believed by a limited number of members of certain religious persuation.

[stanz]

The title says it all. You cannot study biology without accepting evolution as its one unifying tenet.

[spunkets]

Re: seekfind.net

The Biblical ref to seek and ye shall find refers to seeking truth and the Holy Spirit, not internet preachers.