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To: mattdono
Men "imposing their will by force on other men". What?

I see. So,...is it your contention that the two teams on the football field are co-operating toward a common goal, using polite, but pursuasive rhetoric to advance their agendas?

1,344 posted on 02/03/2004 1:30:39 PM PST by donh
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To: donh
is it your contention that the two teams on the football field are co-operating toward a common goal, using polite, but pursuasive rhetoric to advance their agendas?

Hmm. Interesting. Of course, that is not what I meant. But, for someone who claims not to watch football, you know a lot about it.

And, please, don't insult my intelligence. You specfically described it the way you did to imply either football is comprised of 1) a bunch of Cro-Magnons wanting to kill each other or 2) a bunch of latent homos that enjoy jumping onto other men.

Your creativity with the language specifically masks your point so that when you are called on it, you can make another creative passage denying or providing misdirection from your statement.

If you want to say, "Football is played by idiots" or "Football is played by a bucnh of F*gs", then say so.

Show some spine, speak/type in regular language.

1,347 posted on 02/03/2004 2:13:21 PM PST by mattdono (Big Arnie: "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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To: donh
So,...is it your contention that the two teams on the football field are co-operating toward a common goal, using polite, but pursuasive rhetoric to advance their agendas?

Are you trying to justify the half-time show by declaring it the lesser of two "evils"? I've always viewed competitive sports, including full contact sports like football, as a medium to improve oneself mentally, physically, & socially and as a healthy way to blow off a little steam. Some of my very first lessons regarding self-discipline, mental & physical endurance, good sportsmanship, and unselfish behavior were learned on the playing field. To each his own, I guess.

As for the half-time show, all the outrage isn't because the majority of Americans are too prudish to handle seeing a bared breast. For many, this is a "proper time and place" issue.

Behavior that is acceptable at Mardi Gras, for instance, is not acceptable at a memorial service. Having a male stripper "take it all off" at a bachelorette party is fine, but having a male stripper as entertainment for your 6 year old daughter's birthday party is not. Simulated sex acts (er... I mean dancing) and partial nudity may be the norm on MTV these days, but it is not acceptable during a half-time show at the Superbowl on network TV. That's what all the ruckus is about.

Anyone who wants to see nudity can easily go to a strip club, watch an X or R-rated movie, or pick up a sleazy magazine. But, not everyone wants to see that. My 73 year old Catholic grandmother certainly doesn't. And, people like her shouldn't have that kind of smut thrown in their faces without any prior warning. How is what JJ & JT did to the television viewing audience any different from what a flasher does when he bares himself to an unsuspecting woman on the street?

It's all about time and place. Nudity on the Playboy channel? Fine. Nudity during Saturday morning cartoons? No. Not fine. Not fine at all.

1,366 posted on 02/03/2004 5:52:19 PM PST by schmelvin
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