Maybe Bush is Right On

Intellectual Conservative ^ | 30 January 2004 | Raymond Green

[texasflower]

Excellent post kitkat.

[Ol' Sparky]

Yes, but a President can initiate spending and strong-arm members of his own majority into passing those programs.

The Medicare expansion would never have taken place if a Democratic President had proposed it to a Republican congress. Thus, the case for gridlock.

[ckilmer]

most anglo state representatives have now shifted out of the democratic party in texas.

[Ol' Sparky]

The principles of limited government have been shaping public policy since Reagan left office. It was one of the reasons a balance budget was actually achieved in the 1990s.

Bush is the one shaping the Republican party into one of big government. He's the one strong-arming his own party into huge expansions of government, like the Medicare prescription plan, not seen since the 1960s.

[RightWhale]

It's not clear whether Dubya is following a well-known philosophy of bureaucratic management. One thing for sure according to MacIntyre is that managerial experts are running a scam. There are no well-formulated laws of social science--what laws that exist are empirical and statistical and far from general since social interaction is not generally stochastic.

[JZoback]

My vote will go to President George W. Bush.

As will mine.

I'd just like to be able to pull the lever for a true conservative, that's all.

I think GWB has done a fine job in most respects but I'm a hard guy to please

[kitkat]

***... like the Medicare prescription plan, not seen since the 1960s.***

See my post No. 336 for further information.

[ChadGore]

Re: My vote will go to President George W. Bush.

As will mine.

Bush is right on to end the recession in the first year of his first term.

Bush is right, and deserves outright applause, on the defeat of two of our declared enemies, from Kabul to Baghdad, in 18 months.

[sauropod]

Sure pal.

I studiously looked the other way while you made disparaging comment after disparaging comment directed at me personally.

Eventually when you poke the bear enough times the bear responds. "The way you have attempted to twist the remarks of others on this thread proves how damaging people like you can be."

I have attemped to twist NO ONEs words. I am holding those to account who would insist on JBT groupthink. I will hang them on their own words. And that includes YOU.

[sauropod]

I know history. I worked to help get His Slickness impeached.

What have you done?

[sauropod]

"2. Drain any remaining savings the retiree has and then place them on Welfare."

We do that today. With Medicare.

[sauropod]

Did you even bother to read the thread?

I have not been argumentative with everybody, even with folks that i do not agree with.

Spare me the histrionics please.

[hellinahandcart]

No I certainly did not hit abuse.

Do I have to repeat that I was not accusing you? It could have been anyone posting on this thread. It could have been anyone who was merely reading this thread. That narrows it down to, oh, thousands of people.

I only know two things for sure about that person, whoever it was-- they have a problem with sauropod, and they could really use some Midol themselves.

But let's just say I am extremely curious about that particular Abuse report on that particular comment. I am wondering all sorts of things about it, in fact. Not the least of which is whether the person with the itchy finger made the complaint in my name...

Just am trying to get the "pod" to think how he MIGHT be taken before he posts it would save a lot of missunderstandings and fighting among ourselves....

EVERYONE could take that advice, if you ask me. I am an extremely disappointed and disillusioned Bush supporter who is sick to death of being put in the same category as people who've been bitching about him since 1999. We do get equal scorn heaped on us, you know. And I don't know why I should feel I have to preface every negative statement about the man with "I have supported Bush for four years BUT"...can't I simply be outraged? If not, too bad for both of us, I guess

PS, maybe those humerous comments should be sent FRmail, not put on the public forum....They would not distract from the message and facts that way!

Gee, why don't we make that an across-the-board rule, not just one that applies to me and 'Pod...no personal anything to anybody on forum. That would sure cut down on the bandwidth used. You decide whether that would be any fun.

[olliemb]

"How is that MY problem, thus involving MY money?"

Well if you call yourself a conservative and maybe a christian, I do believe that we all have a duty to help one another out. Why are you complaining about medicare and your money when the government spends so much money on needless things--like aroma therapy, monies sent to the UN, monies sent to Palestine, monies spent in congressional salaries. there are more and more instances where monies should not be spent. But your idea of doing away with medicare might be right but it is not done overnite. It takes a little bit at a time--chipping away at the infrastructure. With medicare kept within private enterprise and with monies spent (which you have been spending since you first got your first paycheck for hospital and doctor payments, and medical supplies, etc spent ina more efficient manner)perhaps there will be a change. REmember, change takes time and unless you trust your president (which I know you don't) then you will not see the whole picture. Trust me, give an inch of medicare monies to private enterprise and not to government and then we will be heading toward less government.

And you really think that we as conservatives would do better with a democratic president. HUh!?? The whole fight boils down to what judges do in interpreting the constitution. Get liberal judges and all your conservative views and believes will be nothing but memories. Look at the whole picture. Under Clinton--more taxes and the republican run congress could not change it, under CLinton vetoed partial birth ban and the republican run congress could not change it, under Clinton liberal SC judges and the republican controlled congress could do nothing about it. Get real, The captain the boss is the head--get rid of the head and the rest of the body suffers.

Support the president--keep him on tract with conservatism, but don't walk away into the open arms of the liberals. You only hurt yourself and me and the rest of us fighting to prevent liberal views.

[kitkat]

***"2. Drain any remaining savings the retiree has and then place them on Welfare."***

>>>We do that today. With Medicare.<<<

HUH?

Medicare is PAID FOR by S.S. recipients. And it has nothing to do with Welfare. It also pays back almost nothing, and does NOT include prescription coverage.

I think you mean Medicaid, which is a Welfare program. And Medicaid is just what retirees DO NOT WANT.

They want to continue their self-sufficient way of life which they've worked for all their lives. And THAT, my friend, costs the tax payers a lot less.

[chicagolady]

I was not refering to President Bush! I was refering to issues folks are trying to rationalize into being correct.

[chicagolady]

I was not refering to President Bush.

[Afronaut]

Your hero in action

[chicagolady]

"""I love the mental gymnastics of good and open debate and the exchange of ideas""...gatorbait

No you do not! If people do not agree with the way you think...you take your ball and go home.

[chicagolady]

Democrats are suckers.