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To: Travis McGee; archy

I don't trying to mount a Quad 50 on a Stryker Infantry Carrier Vehicle would leave much room for any infantry. Strykers are pretty top heavy already.

Didn't somebody say we gave away all our old Quad 50's to the Israelis?

10 posted on 01/31/2004 12:03:44 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (The road to Glory cannot be followed with too much baggage.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; archy
How many of those gun trucks with a quad 50 can you buy for the price of a Stryker? Hmmmm....
11 posted on 01/31/2004 12:06:39 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; archy
If I were a dirtbag with an RPG, I think I'd be more afraid of a couple of gun trucks manned by nervous 19 year olds, than buttoned-up Strykers.
12 posted on 01/31/2004 12:08:35 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
I don't trying to mount a Quad 50 on a Stryker Infantry Carrier Vehicle would leave much room for any infantry. Strykers are pretty top heavy already.

Didn't somebody say we gave away all our old Quad 50's to the Israelis?

We supplied the M55 mounts to the Israelis, yes, which they rebuilt with a pair of 20mm automatic cannon, and used for column defense against air attacks during the 1973 *Yom Kippur* war. Mounted on Walid armored cars captured from the Egyptians, Soviet BTR152 armored trucks captured from several of the Arab coalition states, and Israeli M3 halftracks [many of which had been converted from M16 quad .50 AA gun carriers and needed only to have the gun mounts reinstalled and the ammo can stowage racks refitted] the Israeli TCM-20 AA guns accounted for more Arab aircraft downed during the 1973 fighting than any other Israeli weapons system. And they didn't even have to hunt out their targets- the targets came to them.

The Israelis now use the stretched wheelbase version of their RAM armoured car as the preferred carrier for the twin 20mm TCM-20 AA gun setup.

I suspect that for the purposes used in Iraq, a set of 4 Mk 19 40mm automatic grenade launchers might be even more effective, or possibly a mix of two M2 .50 calibers and two Mk 19s.

13 posted on 01/31/2004 12:38:31 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
I don't trying to mount a Quad 50 on a Stryker Infantry Carrier Vehicle would leave much room for any infantry. Strykers are pretty top heavy already.

The turret of the now-cancelled Military Police XM1117 Armored Support Vehicle, which mounted both a 40mm Mk 19 and a .50 M2 machinegun would seem top be a better answer. It wasn't so excessively heavy as to make a 4-wheeled MP ASV top-heavy, either or both weapoons could be used by the commander, rather than having to select one to mount in advance [and pray it works long enough to get the job done, as with the Stynker's RWS] and the weapons could be reloaded from under cover- I doubt barrel changes for the .50 were so possible, but that could be arranged if needed.

I'd expect the ASV would require the mounting of a pintle or ring-mount 7,62mm M240- or a pair of 5,56mm SAWs- should heavier weapons not be the preferred choice, and to provide instant response to any attack. But that's a minor detail, easily arranged in-theater at battalion maintenance shops.


17 posted on 01/31/2004 1:03:13 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
I don't THINK trying to mount a Quad 50 on a Stryker Infantry Carrier Vehicle would leave much room for any infantry.

Brain fart

21 posted on 01/31/2004 1:52:24 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (The road to Glory cannot be followed with too much baggage.)
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