[eno_]

I'm sorry but all freedom-loving people should first ask every law enforcement agent to supply a supportable reason for a request for ID.

Freedom means freedom from intrusion, to the greatest degree possible, not just to the limit of law enforcement resources to intrude.

If it's a "war," declare a war. If we must suspend our rights let's suspecnd them for a limited period. But a surveillancve state is not worth defending.

[Steve Eisenberg]

I'm sorry but all freedom-loving people should first ask every law enforcement agent to supply a supportable reason for a request for ID.

Let's say that the store owner asked for the raid because he thought there were illegals frequenting his store and that they were responsible for most of the increasing shoplifting that was destroying his livelihood. But the storeowner is acting as a confidential informant. Are you saying that you will refuse to cooperate unless the cop outs the storeowner or he shows you a warrant with your name on it? I just don't see the point. To me, the person being harrassed would be the officer.

Tell me the government goons raped your wife in front of you, as in the old Iraq. Then I will buy the idea of the US being unfree.

[FITZ]

If you're an American, you don't need to show an ID. I've been through it often enough (only 3 times) but that's because of where I live and what I was doing --- they don't ask Americans for IDs, they don't need to.