[JustPiper]

For so many of you who have fought this fight for so long, I applaud you and know our resources collectively will make us a contention to deal with in Washington.

I only ask that the flaming and arguments be kept out of this thread and chitchat kept minimal. This is meant to be an informative thread on the issue of keeping our country safe.

[JustPiper]

From Virginia Abernethy from Tennesseans for Tancredo

Neat, isn't it, when U.S. citizens have to rely on the foreign press to tell us what is happening to our country?

But I suspect the official number of illegal aliens who stay annually is understated by Mexican as well as the United States officials. For years, the U.S. Census Bureau gave us a false immigration picture.

The Census Bureau reformed [temporarily] only in the face of a 2003 Northeastern University study which revealed the true number of illegal aliens as between 8 and 12 million. [[See: Sum, Andrew, Harrington,Paul, Palma, Sheila. The Impacts of the Recession of 2001 and the
Jobless Recovery of 2002 on the Native Born and Immigrant Workforce of the United States. Northeastern University (Boston) and Center for Immigration Studies (Washington, D.C.). February, 2003.

Illegal immigration to U.S. grew by nearly 70 per cent in 12 years

Deutsche Presse-Agentur, January 26, 2004

MEXICO CITY (DPA) -- The number of Mexicans illegally entering the United States increased by 66 per cent from 1990 to 2002, a Mexican government report said Monday.

The study, by the National Population Council (Conapo), found that the number of Mexicans who cross the border illegally every year has grown to more than 1 million. Of that number, only about a third achieve their goal
of staying in the United States to work.

The number of Mexicans living in the United States went from 4.3 million in 1994 to 9.5 million in 2002, according to U.S. estimates.

According to Conapo, in the 12 years of the study an average 390,000 Mexicans remained in the United States annually.

Last year, Mexicans in the United States sent roughly 12 billion dollars back to their relatives in Mexico.

In a move acknowledging the illegal worker problem, U.S. President George W. Bush recently proposed granting undocumented workers, most of whom come from Mexico, temporary work permits.

Bush said the measure, which must still win passage by the U.S. Congress, would help do away with an ``undocumented underclass'' that struggle to get by in the United States.

{{{People, Contact Congress!!!}}}

Other recent CONAPO releases on immigration are online at:
http://www.conapo.gob.mx/prensa/2004/03boletin2004.htm

[traumer]

"Justicia, Amnistía, Libertad"

:o)

[JustPiper]

Valuable Website!

PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES Report Cards on immigration numbers and forced population growth

This is where you send Free Faxes. You don't need a fax machine. Just select one of the topics below to read the text of a Fax. If you agree with it, click the Send Button

[Oorang]

Any event that advertises the participation of illegal aliens ought to be raided, and the illegal aliens deported," Mark Krikorian of CIS told the Miami Herald.

This fellow (Mark Krikorian) actually wants to throw logic and reason into the frey? Well, I'll be. IMO illegal is illegal. Period. Mexico doesn't want illegals coming through their southern border but they sure want them to pour through our southern border. You want to come to America? Follow the rules and immigrate legally.

[Oorang]

BTTT

[JustPiper]

1,701 posted on 01/29/2004 12:19:48 AM CST by Cindy

"Smugglers of Illegal Aliens Cause Rising Violence in Arizona"
NewsMax.com Wires
Wednesday, Jan. 28, 2004
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "PHOENIX – Jorge Zubia and his family were having a relaxing holiday trip until they saw the muzzle flashes.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/1/28/165434.shtml

[texasbluebell]

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[JustPiper]

1,895 posted on 01/29/2004 10:50:24 AM CST by Selene

Federal officials visit Yuma desert to speak with agents

BY LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer
Jan 29, 2004

U.S. Department of Homeland Security officials stopped in Yuma County on Wednesday to see what resources local U.S. Border Patrol agents will use to prevent illegal immigrants from dying while crossing the desert in the summer months.

http://yumasun.com/artman/publish/articles/story_9396.shtml

[thecabal]

COMING TO AMERICA
'Illegal immigrant'
an offensive slur?
Latinos resent term, compare it to use of N-word for blacks

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Posted: January 29, 2004
5:00 p.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Though it might be technically accurate, calling someone who entered the U.S. in an unlawful manner "illegal" has become politically incorrect.

"I can't speak for other immigrant groups," activist Jerry Gonzalez told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "but on behalf of the Latino community, many people I speak to on a day-to-day basis think it serves to dehumanize the person, makes them less than human. Similar to the way the n-word was used to dehumanize African-Americans."

Gonzales, who oversees the Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials, says many Latinos are offended by the labels.

"It's easy to dismiss someone when you use a disparaging term such as 'illegal immigrant' or 'illegal alien,'" said Gonzalez.

The Atlanta daily reports the activist plans to lobby state lawmakers to use the term "undocumented workers" when talking about Mexicans and other foreigners in the U.S. illegally.

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[4.1O dana super trac pak]

Bump. Great thread idea.

[JustPiper]

Dennis Miller - Emmy Award winner Dennis Miller brings his take-no-prisoners, suffer-no-fools style to CNBC’s prime time lineup.| Host and Executive Producer: Dennis Miller| Senior Producer and Head Writer: Eddie Feldmann

Did anyone happen to catch Dennis on Jay Leno? He was in top form, just saw the rerun. He told Jay he wants to report the news no one will and unlike the liberally biased media! He used "Immigration" as an example. He said go to 'any' of the border states at night with night goggles. He said you feel like your looking at the Boston Marathon. He said something has to be done!

Does anyone know how to get a transcript of the Leno show?

I've seen little of his show since it debuted this week. I'm usually on here. But when it comes to Dennis, Scarborough and Dobbs none of us should miss their shows, or at least their transcripts!

[JustPiper]

{IMPORTANT}

Global HMO
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY ^ | Monday, February 02, 2004

Posted on 01/30/2004 8:03:23 PM CST by sixmil

Immigration: For those who think that illegal aliens are a good deal because they will work for such low wages, consider this figure — $9 billion.

That rather large sum is Rep. Dana Rohrabacher's low-end estimate of how much is spent each year on health care for illegal immigrants, not by themselves but by others.

So while illegal alien labor might be cheap for businesses that employ undocumented workers, it isn't, as Rohrabacher points out, for taxpayers.

Rohrabacher arrives at the $9 billion figure by multiplying $21 billion, the amount of uncompensated health care services provided last year by the American Hospital Association's member facilities, by 43%, the estimated portion of the uninsured in the U.S. that are illegal immigrants.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1068703/posts?page=4#4

[JustPiper]

We need to support our Border Patrol Agents! They ARE the New American Homeland Defense Heroes!

NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL

Eyes on the Border (USA-Mexico) Border Patrol's Air Mobile Unit

"They just do the jobs Americans won't do...." -- La Raza, MALDEF Menaces

Border Patrol Agents Slam Alien Amnesty

Border Patrol: Did Bush send you here?

AMERICAN PATROL

NoAmnesty.com (sponsored by the National Border Patrol Council)- NoAmnesty.com ^ | 1/2004 | National Border Patrol Council

Border council calls Bush plan 'slap in the face

This is a very busy ping issue, if you would like on/off just gimme a holler!

[JustPiper]

On the Homeland Security front..
The Federalist Newsletter | 1-30-04 | The Federalist Staff
Posted on 01/30/2004 3:38:56 PM CST by FlyLow

According to 2002 statistics of the former Immigration and Naturalization Service and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, more than 375,000 illegal aliens residing in the U.S. have been ordered deported, but failed to appear for deportation proceedings. Of that number, 80,000 are criminal aliens who served time in prison and were then released without the knowledge of federal immigration authorities. This group includes convicted murderers, drug dealers, rapists and child molesters, all because local law enforcement does not have knowledge of their illegal resident status, or in some cases because local statutes called "sanctuary laws" prevent local police from enforcing federal immigration law.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1068546/posts?page=4#4

[JustPiper]

Colorado eyes limit on benefits for aliens
Washington Times ^ | 30 January 2004 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 01/30/2004 2:41:19 PM CST by JackelopeBreeder

DENVER — A third Western state is moving forward with a ballot measure to deny state services to illegal immigrants, an effort that could spell trouble for the White House by galvanizing opposition to President Bush's guest-worker proposal.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican, began the latest campaign last week by announcing that he had filed papers for a Colorado constitutional amendment that would restrict all but non-emergency services to U.S. residents and legal aliens.

His proposal follows similar efforts in Arizona and California, where organizers are circulating petitions for citizen initiatives that would ban state welfare and other services for illegal aliens. If they gather enough signatures, all three measures would appear on their state ballots in November.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1068504/posts?page=6#6

Major Immigration Issues:

Drivers' Licenses
Environmental Impact
H-1B Visas
Homeland Security and Border Security
Illegal Immigration
INS Reform
Legal Immigration
Population Growth

Homeland Defense Petition

http://www.tancredo.org/issues/submenu1/issues-immigration.htm

I urge you to sign this petition if you have not

http://www.tancredo.org/extra/hdp.htm

[JustPiper]

Proposed Resolution

Enforce the Current Immigration Laws

WHEREAS our own government cannot control its own borders, a central requirement of a Nation, and

WHEREAS with the government's estimate of eight to twelve million illegal aliens currently here already, with hundreds of thousands more entering illegally every year, and

WHEREAS in our continuing war on terror an open border is an invitation to attack, and

WHEREAS illegal aliens committed one crime by entering the United States, another one by working without permission, probably a third felony by using a false SS number, and a fourth felony by using forged documents, and

WHEREAS an American citizen cannot go to Mexico, commit four crimes, and then receive amnesty or benefits there, and

WHEREAS illegal aliens are causing increased burdens on our government agencies and public infrastructure, especially along our southern tier of states, and
WHEREAS the excessive amount of illegal aliens already is a large factor in depressing current wage rates for American citizens, and

WHEREAS past amnesties have only served as an invitation for additional migrations, and

WHEREAS liberal political correctness even tries to prohibit us from using the term illegal aliens, which they are, and instead prefers to use the term 'undocumented workers', when these illegal aliens should be really be called unconvicted felons,

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, by the South Shore Republican Club in caucus assembled that the US enforce its current immigration laws, seal its borders from aliens, along with the possible use, if necessary, of the US Armed Forces to

'defend' our borders, and that any illegal aliens found here be detained, sent back to where they came from, and their native government be billed for their transportation back home, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That the United States, or any state, or any local government, provide no rewards, amnesties, visitation extensions or benefits to illegal aliens, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That a law be passed, and enforced, to require proof of citizenship to register to vote, photo ID to vote, and proof of eligibility for public benefits.

140 posted on 01/30/2004 11:13:46 AM CST by hripka

[JustPiper]

For many Latinos, Bush's plan has a fatal flaw
Sac Bee ^ | 1/30/04 | Laura Mecoy
Posted on 01/30/2004 11:05:37 AM CST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Among Latinos, the Achilles heel in President Bush's new immigration proposal is its requirement that temporary workers return to their home countries when their permits expire, according to a national poll released Thursday.

The first survey of Latino reactions to Bush's proposal to issue temporary worker permits found 42 percent in support and 20 percent opposed. The rest either had no opinion or were unaware of it.

Opposition to the plan more than doubled when respondents were told that most temporary workers would have to return to their home countries at the end of three or six years.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1068379/posts

[JustPiper]

Some Democrats Play “One Upmanship” with Bush
Administration on Illegal Alien Giveaway

American Workers in Every Sector of the Economy Will Watch Their Jobs Go to Foreign Workers, Says FAIR

(Washington, DC – January 29, 2004) “The immigration proposal touted by the Democrats yesterday is an outright assault on fundamental fairness, the rule of law, and on all working Americans, advocating a blanket amnesty for every illegal alien in the country,” says the Federation for American Immigration Reform. FAIR accused some of the Democrats in Congress of “playing one upmanship” with the Bush immigration proposal and turning their backs on the 9 million unemployed Americans currently seeking jobs and legal immigrants whose admission will be delayed while millions of illegal aliens are granted amnesty.

“It’s amazing that the party which portrays itself as the friend of working Americans is in a foot race with the Bush Administration to give foreign workers unimpeded access to every job in every sector of our economy,” commented Dan Stein, FAIR’s Executive Director. Stein noted that the Democrats’ plan not only takes the cap off of the admission of foreign guestworkers, it allows them to remain in the U.S. permanently and bring in their distant relatives while offering a clear path to citizenship.

Stein pointed out that the Bush Administration plan and the Democrats’ alternative drives home the fact that both plans “are completely out of touch with the demands of the American public, which has been demanding much less, not more immigration, for more than 3 decades.”

Both plans are being championed as ways to deal with chronic illegal immigration and the national security problems that arise from having millions of people in the country who have never had criminal or terrorist background checks. Stein urged both parties to commit to enforcing current immigration laws and resist pressures from special interest groups and big business to open the country to limitless immigration. Instead, Stein urged Congress to pass the SAFER ACT, sponsored by Gresham Barrett (R-SC), which would:

Secure the border against illegal immigration and terrorism by beefing up the border patrol and cracking down on alien smuggling;

Enhance interior enforcement of our immigration laws;

Better screen aliens seeking admission to the U.S.

Expedite procedures for the removal of terrorists and criminal aliens from the U.S.;

Streamline the immigration process by suspending further renewal of temporary protected status and suspend approval of adjustment of status applications for certain immigrants;

End chain migration by eliminating the extended family visa categories;

“The laws have been on the books for decades to stop illegal immigration in its tracks. What has been lacking is the leadership, determination and courage of our elected officials to place the security of the country and the economic viability of the American family, ahead of party politics and shameless pandering,” said Stein.

http://www.fairus.org/media/media.cfm?id=2355&c=34

[JustPiper]

From Virginia Abernethy of Tenneseans for Tancredo:

As I interpret this memo on immigration policy:

1) The law requires Border Patrol agents to operate within the United States, not just at the border

2) A "long-standing policy" prevented the Border Patrol from operating in the interior of the United States

3) A memo about the "policy" was leaked

4) The policy has been rescinded, so Border Patrol agents may again do their job of apprehending illegal aliens within the interior of the United States.
V.
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Chief Patrol Agent William Veal of the Border Patrol garnered Nationwide Media attention last week when an internal memo dated August 8th was "leaked" to local media outlets. The memo stipulated that "long-standing agency policy" prevented Border Patrol agents from conducting " 'area control' operations in residential neighborhoods". Furthermore that the "operational priorities for the San Diego Sector are geared toward maximum containment at the border, to prevent illegal entry of aliens, terrorists, and terrorist weapons" and that "interior enforcement and worksite enforcement are now within the exclusive jurisdiction of the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement".

However, this policy is in conflict with section 287 of the Immigration and Nationality Act - Powers of immigration officers and employees, which has been reproduced below:

Sec. 287. [8 U.S.C. 1357]
(a) Any officer or employee of the Service authorized under regulations prescribed by the Attorney General shall have power {{{without warrant- }}}

(1) (((to interrogate any alien or person believed to be an alien as to his right to be or to remain in the United States;}}}

(2) to arrest any alien who in his presence or view is entering or attempting to enter the United States in violation of any law or regulation made in pursuance of law regulating the admission, exclusion, expulsion, or removal of aliens, or to arrest any alien in the United States, if he has reason to believe that the alien so arrested is in the United States in violation of any such law or regulation and is likely to escape before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest, but the alien arrested shall be taken without unnecessary delay for examination before an officer of the Service having authority to examine aliens as to their right to enter or remain in the United States;

(3) {{{within a reasonable distance (defined as 100 air miles) from any external boundary of the United States, to board and search for aliens any vessel within the territorial waters of the United States and any railway car, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle, and within a distance of twenty-five miles from any such external boundary to have access to private lands, but not dwellings for the purpose of patrolling the border to prevent the illegal entry of aliens into the United States;}}}

(4) to make arrests for felonies which have been committed and which are cognizable under any law of the United States regulating the admission, exclusion, expulsion, or removal of aliens, if he has reason to believe that the person so arrested is guilty of such felony and if there is likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest, but the person arrested shall be taken without unnecessary delay before the nearest available officer empowered to commit persons charged with offenses against the laws of the United States; and

(5) to make arrests-

Which is perhaps why in an interesting twist this "long-standing agency policy" was quickly rescinded by Robert Bonner, Commissioner of the U.S. Bureau of Customs and Border Protection, just days after the August 8th memo made nationwide headlines. Bureau spokeswoman Gloria Chavez said that the rescinded policy was a legacy of the old Immigration and Naturalization Service, which no longer exists as its duties have been folded into the Department of Homeland Security.

[Map Kernow]

Thanks for the ping. If I had the resources, and didn't have two kids in college, I'd devote myself full time to this fight. It really is that important for our country's security, sovereignty, way of life and future. Indeed, I think the case could be made that there is no issue more important at present than the immigration crisis, since it is useless to even try to strive for victory in the War on Terror if we refuse to get firm control over our borders and ports of entry and the entrants into our country.