[nopardons]

And again, Goldwater DID NOT WIN ;what followed followed, but his loss gave us a Dem president.

If you want to play that game, then you need to give President GHWBush accolades, because his defeat gave us a GOP majority in both Houses and the House's IMPEACHMENT of Clinton! See ? I can play your game too, using your rules, which refutes your complaints about 40 years of GOP betrayal. :-)

[iconoclast]

you need to give President GHWBush accolades

We gave him just what he deserved, ONE TERM.

God willing, we'll give his son the same thing.

[iconoclast]

IT AIN'T BRAIN SURGERY.

IT'S NOT ABOUT WINNING.

IT'S ABOUT PRINCIPLES!

OTHERWISE YOU ARE LOSING NO MATTER WHICH "PARTY" YOU VOTE FOR.