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To: VaBthang4
Mt. PLEASANT, South Carolina Listening to Richard Perle on the radio recently was a little hard for a European like me.

The writer might consider himself to be more of an 'Englishman'; I'm not about to call myself a 'North American'. Especially in light of how my fellow 'North Americans' want things to be run.

Perle, a former chairman of the Defense Policy Board, stated that European nations "do not have the most courageous of instincts," with the implication that America has to intervene in international affairs because Europeans are afraid to. Perle's comments take place against a chorus of similar sentiments to be heard on America's airwaves in recent months.

Probably because it's true. I'm loathing the idea of US soldiers bailing France out when Islamic peoples overrun them.

An average listener would be forgiven for believing that Europeans are a cowardly bunch of ungrateful wimps, whose anti-American bombast is a merely a cover for their complicity with evil regimes.

It may be true. But as a European myself - I'm from Britain - it doesn't feel true. And I wonder if our cultural disconnect comes from two very different experiences of war.

It is true.

Let's be clear: Europeans don't run away from war. Even the most fleeting look at our history will tell you that we love war, we want war, we will find almost any excuse for a war. In 1914 young men from all across Europe jauntily marched off to start yet another one, with flags waving and patriotic songs playing. Young men from my country marched in the knowledge that they represented the greatest nation on Earth, an economic powerhouse, a country blessed by God. Any of this sounding familiar?

The only problem isn't that you weren't the greatest nation on earth, and America proved it as we slogged across the mud to quell your latest suicidal outburst.

Barely one of those men could have clearly explained what the war was about, it was enough that they were fighting for freedom, and against oppression.

The author himself cannot explain what the war was about. No wonder they did it again in 1939.

Fast forward five years. 1919. A whole generation of young men - over 8.5 million - wiped out in the most disgusting war the world had ever seen. Economies collapsed, vast regions were blighted. No longer was anyone playing patriotic songs. Now poets like Wilfred Owen were bitterly decrying "the old lie" that it is an honorable thing to die for your country. Who was the enemy, anyway? Was it those pathetic, blood-stained bodies strewn across the opposing trenches, or the fat, cigar-smoking politicians that ordered us into this nightmare?

You decide, Mr. Crossman.

This feeling has never been totally expunged from the European psyche. However clear-cut the rationale sounds at the start of a war, the reality always results in atrocities, injustices and moral ambiguity. Within a few short years we were forced into a World War II, and this time there was none of the flag-waving; instead there was a stunned gasp of: "Are we really going through all this again?"

Of course you were. What other result did you expect?

And this time it was worse. Our cities were flattened, a genocide was committed, a whole civilization was brought to its knees.

....and next time it will be even worse........if you can imagine it.

But World War II was mercifully different for America. Despite its debilitating losses - and its astonishing selflessness in prioritizing the European theater ahead of its own mission in the Pacific - America emerged from the devastation in a pre-eminent position, its infrastructure intact. Culturally, politically and economically, America stood like a gleaming Colossus above an impoverished world. If America had believed that by use of force, Good could prevail over Evil, then it had been proved right. War had saved Freedom and defeated Tyranny.

A war backed by the forces of good will overcome the forces of evil. Europe should try reading that Bible before they throw it into the bonfire next time.

And this is now burned into the American psyche in much the same way that cynicism is for the European. America is the brave young soldier, with shining eyes and a firm jaw, marching towards a battle that will make the world a better place.

As long as we keep our principles intact.

Europe is the bitter old veteran sitting on the sidewalk, his medals collecting dust somewhere, shaking his head knowingly as the young soldier marches by.

Hopefully he is shaking his head, acknowledging to himself, "That" is what we should have been fighting for.

Both views are valid and both are forged in the furnace of experience. America has the power and inclination to promote justice in the world, and Richard Perle may indeed be right: Perhaps Europeans don't have the most courageous of instincts. Not anymore. They still live in the shadow of two unthinkable wars, and have learnt that patriotism and courageous instincts have too often resulted in corruption, destruction and death.

It's not patriotism and courageous instincts that have resulted in corruption, destruction, and death. It is the misapplication of virtues that have led to the destruction that the author describes.

God Bless the United States of America.

162 posted on 01/27/2004 8:38:40 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (For or against us.........)
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To: He Rides A White Horse; quidnunc
You are perhaps the first here to actually read the whole article. The writer winds a circuitous route before concluding that the Americans aren't wrong. It is almost like amateur dentistry to get him to go to the next step and admit we're right, and he can't quite do it...

But he admits that we aren't wrong.

America has the power and inclination to promote justice in the world, and Richard Perle may indeed be right: Perhaps Europeans don't have the most courageous of instincts. Not anymore.

166 posted on 01/27/2004 9:13:39 PM PST by marron
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To: He Rides A White Horse
"The writer might consider himself to be more of an 'Englishman'; I'm not about to call myself a 'North American'. Especially in light of how my fellow 'North Americans' want things to be run."

When was the last time you heard the term "North America" in conversation. The term Europe is used so much more often because each of the piddly little countries that comprise it are, individually barely significent. Maybe that explains why Europe was so willing to sacrifice Poland 65 years ago. Poland wasn't and isn't the identity of Europe. Neither is France or Spain or Luxemborg, or any other country. The term "North American" is a term of geography. Politically speaking, North America is the United States and the surrounding countries. They have names, but negligable importance. The term "European" is far more ideological than geographical. That's why when someone uses the term, Russia is probably exempt from the idea being expressed. Russia is not a part of Europe or Asia in a political or idealogical sense. Russia is Russia. It has an identity. It is autonomous. Throughout history, this has been true. Love them or hate them, Russians have pride. They have a core of dignity and self-respect. Russia is an extremely racially diverse country, but it is not perceived as such because Russia has an identity (albeit one that sparks a great deal of civil unrest.)
Just as the Russians can assume exemption from indictments of Europeans as cowards, Americans can rest assured that, whether we are loved or hated, we will never have to suffer the indignity of being referred to as a minor cog in our continent instead of a seperate entity deserving to be addressed as such.
169 posted on 01/27/2004 10:40:19 PM PST by saul goode (My name is Saul Goode, and I approved this message because I am right and you are wrong.)
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