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To: FITZ
I have a hispanic coworker who grew up in Mexico, and used to take a bus over the border to go to school here in the US. That would make most Americans BOIL.

Her grandfather (a US citizen) then brought her over several years ago. She is now 21, and can't speak a work of Spanish. Every story is different. She took advantage of american schools back when they refused to teach in spanish. Now she has completely assimilated.

I just don't know how all of this can be cheaply taken on. Do you remember the member nomasmojarras? Well, I have been to Ciudad Juarez Mexico....a real pit....and have seen now boths sides of the immigration situation. It still shouldn't happen, but I think our government looks at it as cash flow. Sure, we are losing billions of $$ when illegals send money over the border. BUT if we give them a worker program, the same thing will happen. If we hire 300,000 americans to daily monitor 30 illegal guestworkers movements around the country (that should cover the illegals that are ALREADY in the country...not the ones that plan on coming over), and these government workers make only $20,000 per year, that would equal the amount of money that is going over the border. So figure 6 billion a year to pay our employees, and 6 billion a year going over the border, plus the guest workers will be receiving some benefits, and will making possibly more money.

I suppose that could stimulate our economy.....yes, a lot of the money goes down to mexico, but I have seen known illegals buying $40,000 cars....that is 3 times more than what I can afford. It is still stimulating the economy.

I probably anger a lot of people because I contradict myself with praise for Bush's plan, and skepticism for the future of immigration control. But that is the reality. There is no one step that our government can take to control it. Finally Bush stepped up and started the debate. It needs to start now so we can fix things before the hispanic constituency is so huge that they will be able to vote their own advocates into office.

After all this, I have to agree that the majority of illegals don't plan to stay forever. They stay 3 years, go down to Mexico, come back, work some more. Bush's idea isn't that different from the illegals present schedule. Yes, there are many hispanic families growing. Not only for the anchor baby program (which should be stopped NOW), but because hispanics are extremely family oriented. It isn't always "colonization" that hispanics have in mind...it is an old desire to have many kids.

My husband has the same feelings about large families. He has 3 sisters who only have one or 2 kids each...they are NOT for having big families. So every time you or I say something against illegal immigrants, there will always be someone else that has a contradicting anecdote. Just as Americans are all individualistic, the rest of the world sees us as all the same, with the same goals (destructive).

So why should we be surprised that Americans think that all hispanics are all the same? That is one of the first steps in dehumanizing a group or a race, and I think we are all guilty of it. And as you know, dehumanizing is meant to lower any group of people so you are more justified in treating them badly.

Lastly...about the slaughters on the border...It would be interesting to know how many massacres occured outside the berlin wall, and that didn't last either. I see history repeating itself. All impoverished societies accumulate at the walls of the wealthy empires to try and grab onto the extra "crumbs" that fall onto their side. It has happened for thousands of years. Walls just make people want to tear them down. Difficult situation we are in.

I enjoyed hearing your opinions before, and I still do today. We gotta keep the conversation open, right?

140 posted on 01/28/2004 5:38:02 AM PST by Polly
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To: Polly
All impoverished societies accumulate at the walls of the wealthy empires to try and grab onto the extra "crumbs" that fall onto their side.

And that's what keeps them impoverished. Instead of getting on their own two feet, developing their own natural resources and wealth, they're content to live off our economy --- like a giant welfare society. There is no reason that Mexico could not be a mostly middle class society --- they've got the same kind of resources we do --- Japan with just an island has done more for it's citizens -- a lot more.

143 posted on 01/28/2004 6:15:50 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Polly
Not only for the anchor baby program (which should be stopped NOW), but because hispanics are extremely family oriented.

Only some are family oriented --- overall they have a 42% illegitimacy rate --- higher among those from Mexico than those who have lived here for generations or never came from Mexico. You can visit any Mexican city and see many street children --- children whose parents have abandoned them --- that's not "extremely family oriented", in that they as a society are far worse than we. South of Juarez you can see 14 to 16 year old single mothers living in cardboard boxes with their babies. Where are their own families? It's common here to read of a group of children locked inside (locked in from the outside)a home which burned while their single mother was off working in a maquila in Mexico. Many of Mexico's extreme poverty problems are in part due to a lack of good family values.

144 posted on 01/28/2004 6:21:03 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Polly
My husband has the same feelings about large families. He has 3 sisters who only have one or 2 kids each...they are NOT for having big families.

I have a feeling your husband is from the small middle or small upper class in Mexico. 2 or 3 kids is what many of the Mexican girls have before they drop out of high school in this region. The values of the Mexican middle class are pretty much like ours --- but that isn't where many of the immigrants filling our government housing projects are from and it's not their values. Massive immigration and migration is also in itself causing the destruction of that society --- many women and children are abandoned by fathers heading north, many children are left with elderly grandmothers when their mothers head north. People are losing their family and neighborhood ties, being uprooted. Ciudad Juarez wasn't too bad a place 20 years ago but it's hell now.

145 posted on 01/28/2004 6:25:33 AM PST by FITZ
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