Arizona GOP Defies Bush, Calls For Accountability on Illegal Aliens

Talon News Service ^ | 27 January 2004 | Jimmy Moore

[DLfromthedesert]

The Hispanic vote and pandering to Big Business.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

The Hispanic vote and pandering to Big Business.

Someone said on another thread that Pete Wilson won more of the hispanic vote in 1994 in California despite supporting Prop 187 than Bush won in 2000, even with all his pandering. Looks to me like Bush is getting terrible advice somewhere along the line.

[SoCalPol]

Your comments are spot on. I am sitting 15 miles from the
busiest border corssing in the world. I don't like the
illegal situation, etc. either. BUT, you can't stop a speeding train on a dime. We have to start from where we are now. Those who won't vote for the President because of this issue are the same kind who voted third party and got Clinton. This will be a close election and if Bush is not reelected we will have worse than the illegal issue.

[StoneColdGOP]

The media told you he was anti-immigrant because he opposed SB 60, the licenses for illegal aliens law that 99% of the state opposed.

What they (and he) didn't mention often and tried to hush up was that he supported the idea if it was done "the right way".

But no one payed attention until after the recall was done.

The only candidate 100% in the corner of protecting our borders and fighting the illegals invading CA was Senator Tom McClintock. Of course, you couldn't support Tom, because if you did you were a spoiler and nutty right-winger who really wanted Bustamecha to win instead.

[Spiff]

Well, she spoke very highly of you on Saturday. Anyway, did you catch what Nancy is doing with her new group?

She did!? Oh man, I thought she was angry at me right now. It's good to hear that she isn't too angry. She probably just doesn't agree with my methods at times. I'm a little more gung-ho and she's very diplomatic. Sometimes it seems that we end up at odds because she's busy trying to put out fires while I'm busy pouring gasoline on them.

Tell me more about what Nancy Salmon is up to. I haven't heard anything.

[american spirit]

Well said my man, hope you don't mind if I steal a couple lines for a letter I have going a few local news editors who are out to lunch on this whole issue. One thing I'm constantly thinking about is some way to force these politicians to honor their oaths of office and federal law. Whether it's local politicians granting "sanctuary" to these invaders, state legislators passing education/welfare laws or federal programs designed to help illegals with livng, food or healthcare, THEY ARE ALL BREAKING FEDERAL LAW BY AIDING AND ABETTING THESE PEOPLE! How can these politicians at all levels be above the law? How about a thread where those of us opposing this travesty can exchange some ideas? Also, please add me to your ping list......thanks.

[Missouri]

he is so obsessed with amnestying illegal aliens.

He's definitely behind the curve on this one. Lets face it though, he did say during one of the debates with Gore that he wanted to do this so it should not come as a surprise to everyone. I will admit, I thought 9-11 would have changed his mind and I am disappointed with him.

We elected a guy who was born very rich and didn't have to get serious about life till he was about 40 years old. What middle and working-class people have to go thru is somewhat alien to him. I've been flamed for saying this being accused of promoting class-warfare. The reality is that GWB is the "Lesser of two evils".

Its now up to the grass-roots to get Congress to put a stop to this. We will get no help from the White House on this matter.

A round of drinks should go out to the Arizona Republicans who have defied the elites.

[ClintonBeGone]

This will be a close election and if Bush is not reelected we will have worse than the illegal issue.

Yep. So true.

[Ohioan]

That is a chilling map--also a very sad one. Jefferson justified the Louisiana Purchase on the basis of keeping the frontier Anglocized. The wacko egalitarian advocates of an undifferentiated humanity, would I suppose, denounce the Founding Fathers as "Nativists"--spraying the air in their lovable manner, as they did so. But, while offering the world friendship, the Founders knew very well who they were, and had no illusions about human societies being interchangeable.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[archy]

The 1990 map. Does someone have the more current one?

Sort of. The Census 2000 Hispanic Population Distribution map can be seen here, but it's a .PDF file, and I can't grab the image for you. Maybe someone can help.

[janetgreen]

But his lack of will to respect and protect our National Sovereignty, our National Security and our American Culture, has personally left me to question his committment to protect our National self-interest before the promotion of his Globalist agenda.

Needs repeating (over and over again).

[B4Ranch]

Would you mind reading all of post#30 and tell me what is worse than what I described?

[JackelopeBreeder]

It was an article from San Diego. Most areas were seeing double to triple the number of border crossers while a couple of others had jumped by eight times.

I haven't seen the latest figures for Arizona. A couple of weeks ago it was up by 48%. All I can say is that I no longer have to go hunting for illegals here. Just park on any rise above the border and turn on the infrared camera at night. Groups and groups of them. Right before sunset you can see them getting ready south of the border. Even in the daytime the ground sensors are constantly getting hits.

We do not have enough Border Patrol personnel to handle this. A week ago the BP was talking about sending additional personnel and equipment here, but that would mean pulling too much out of Texas and California when they're needed just as badly there.

[ClintonBeGone]

Would you mind reading all of post#30 and tell me what is worse than what I described?

Well, first you have to get me to accept the premise that all those things will come true. I'm not there yet.

[WayneM]

Great post. Hit the nail on the head.

I do believe President Bush GENERALLY has our best interest at heart. However he is a political animal, and he is looking for ways to get votes and financial contributions.

Plus, he is not really part of the society in which you and I live our lives every day. Remember the incident where his father had never seen a grocery store scanner, despite them having been in every store in the country for 10+ years? So much for being grounded in reality.

[RiflemanSharpe]

The Hispanic vote and pandering to Big Business.

And do not forget deep down in his heart he like his father have globalist leanings. Maybe not as bad as th Klintons but they are there.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Its now up to the grass-roots to get Congress to put a stop to this. We will get no help from the White House on this matter.

It's beginning to look as though Congress has gotten the message as quite a few are coming out against it. But it's still unsettling that Bush refuses to take the hint. 245(i) amnesty was stopped in committee and that was nothing compared to what he wants here.

A round of drinks should go out to the Arizona Republicans who have defied the elites.

Absolutely, these Republicans deserve a thousand kudos for standing up to the party line and their unpopular idea. I hope it spreads.

[glock rocks]

Remember the incident where his father had never seen a grocery store scanner

[Reaganwuzthebest]

And do not forget deep down in his heart he like his father have globalist leanings.

As of yet I have not heard Bush speak out against Fox's constant call for opening up the borders in 5 to 10 years. By not doing so he fuels the fire of those who say this is about globalism and doing away with our sovereignty. And this amnesty program of his doesn't help either.

[B4Ranch]

Well, other than giving you a whack up side the head to shake your brains loose from being solidly anchored into the Party line, I have no idea what to do. I never was inclined to go around smacking total strangers, good way to get shot, to get then to believe the obvious, or what appears as the obvious to me.

I didn't really have to do much thinking to see where it would be impossible for that many foreigners to assimilate, even if they wanted to, into our culture. America would be making such drastic changes so rapidly that none of us would be able to keep pace with it.

Is that what you want for America?

Look at Iraq and the changes that happened there in six months since we changed their government to a democracy or as close as we could get it. Those folks are seeing a new way of life they never expected. Well, ours will change almost as fast and for some, it will be totally unexpected also. I guess you'll be able to raise your hand if a poll comes out asking if you never expected such large changes with President Bush's wonderful plan. BUT, you won't be able to say you weren't forewarned.

How about telling me why these changes will not take place. Show that you are a thinker and not braindead.