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To: Junior
Did you note the link I posted was to observed instances of SPECIATION

Yes, I saw the link and read through it. And yes, I saw that the title of the link indicates observed changes from one species to another (speciation.) But then I saw that the citations provided show no such ability for an organism to change into another kind.

Have you actually thought through your position?

Absolutely. Your above statement is exactly why I should know better than to get into these arguments. Almost every evolutionist I've ever met assumes that the creationist is a dumb zealot. (Admittedly, I've also known many creationists who talk to evolutionist as if the evolutionist is a soulless heathen.)

Your inability to admit your bias is as strong as mine and my inability to put my bias aside means we will never do better than a standoff.

265 posted on 01/29/2004 2:32:56 AM PST by Gerasimov ( <a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: Gerasimov
Almost every evolutionist I've ever met assumes that the creationist is a dumb zealot.

When we've had to refute the same old tired arguments on every crevo thread for the past five years, we begin to wonder. The evidence indicates your average creationist either suffers from short-term memory loss or willful ignorance of the evidence. Either way, it doesn't speak well for the creationist side.

Just one small example: your average evolutionist posting on these threads keeps abreast of science -- not just the popular science, such as the Mars missions, printed in the paper -- but the leading edge research. We have a number of actual, working scientists posting here who will more than gladly back up their contentions with links to recently-published scientific papers. Even us non-scientific types go out of our way to read about the latest research through either the published abstracts of the paper (which is about as far as I can wade) or through publications devoted to presenting such science to the layman. Many of us also have extensive collections of books on various scientific subjects (I happen to keep a small library on extinct megafauna).

Your average creationist gets his information from creationist websites and literature. Most of this stuff is demonstrably decades old (just check any posting of "quote salad" made by a creationist) -- and, if this stuff was ever valid, it is no longer is the case. Also, creationist websites have been shown to blatantly falsify information such as quotes from researchers; I cannot tell you how many times the various evolutionists on these threads have dug up the real quotes and shown the creationist version to be 180º out. Your inability to admit your bias is as strong as mine and my inability to put my bias aside means we will never do better than a standoff.

My "bias" is based on evidence, not faith. Your bias causes you to throw aside 150 years of research because it makes you uncomfortable. If you wish to remain ignorant, that's your call, however, you cannot present your views as a viable alternative to an evidentiary-based theory such as evolution.

267 posted on 01/29/2004 3:50:51 AM PST by Junior (Some people follow their dreams. Others hunt theirs down and beat them mercilessly into submission)
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