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Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles (thread 2) Daily Terror Threat
DEBKA ^ | 11/03/03

Posted on 01/26/2004 1:01:03 PM PST by Mossad1967

Edited on 01/26/2004 2:18:02 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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To: All
Anytime. I think I oughta head there as well, as it's going on 3 a.m. Goodnight.
6,401 posted on 02/05/2004 1:55:52 AM PST by SpoofChicken
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To: JustPiper
Well, according to Granny, my grandpa and Mom the commies began taking over about 30-40 years ago, while America slept!

America still sleeps.

6,402 posted on 02/05/2004 2:07:24 AM PST by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: JustPiper
People we are screwed!

Scary prospect, isn't it?

6,403 posted on 02/05/2004 2:08:41 AM PST by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: Unknowing
Here's to the end of the end of the world as we know it.

LOL! That would be a good toast.

6,404 posted on 02/05/2004 2:17:14 AM PST by thecabal
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To: thecabal
Let us raise our glasses and be upstanding. Cheers!
6,405 posted on 02/05/2004 2:50:38 AM PST by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: Cindy
Tanks for making that thread clickable in 6270.
6,406 posted on 02/05/2004 3:07:14 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: milkncookies
What is your opinion of the EU and Russian relationship? Russian doesn't appear to be on board with EU. Yet, quite a few EU members were involved with arming Iraq too.
6,407 posted on 02/05/2004 5:21:41 AM PST by Calpernia (http://members.cox.net/classicweb/Heroes/heroes.htm)
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To: freeperfromnj
Sure seems like something was thwarted, according to Tom Ridge.
6,408 posted on 02/05/2004 5:31:27 AM PST by Velveeta
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To: Pro-Bush
These people (AQ) are beginning to sound like Baghdad Bob.

"Soon" we will kill YOU ALL! SOOOOOOOOON!!!!

Right.

Don't they realize how idiotic they sound?! Same material..over..and over..and over..

Well, I guess it's good for recruitment. Makes them sound tough. Too bad the people they recruit are too stupid to see how impotent AQ has become, as the good ole' US of A has DISMANTLED them, piece by piece.

Thank GOD for GWB. The best thing that could happen for AQ is for John F'in Kerry to get in the WH.
6,409 posted on 02/05/2004 5:32:29 AM PST by jstolzen (All it takes for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke)
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To: FairOpinion; StillProud2BeFree
Ping
6,410 posted on 02/05/2004 5:46:28 AM PST by Calpernia (http://members.cox.net/classicweb/Heroes/heroes.htm)
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To: milkncookies
Not to beat a dead horse, but this is what Russian GRU defector Viktor Suvorov (Vladimir Rezun), former Spetsnaz officer had to say in his book Spetsnaz:

"Widespread terrorist and sabotage operations in advance of World War III are known officially in the GRU as the 'preparatory period,' and unofficially as the 'overture.' The overture is a series of large and small operations the purpose of which is, before actual military operations begin, to weaken the enemy's morale, create an atmosphere of suspicion, fear and uncertainty, and divert the attention of the enemy's armies and police forces to a huge number of different targets, each of which may be the object of the next attack. "The overture is carried out by agents of the secret services of the Soviet satellite countries and by mercenaries recruited by intermediaries. The principal method employed at this stage is 'gray terror,' that is, a kind of terror which is not conducted in the name of the Soviet Union. The Soviet secret services do not at this stage leave their visiting cards, or leave other people's cards. The terror is carried out in the name of already existing extremist groups not connected in any way with the Soviet Union, or in the name of fictitious organizations."
6,411 posted on 02/05/2004 5:49:40 AM PST by milkncookies (When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not your friend.)
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To: appalachian_dweller
It has already been posted in this thread...surprisingly, it is the response which logic dictates.
6,412 posted on 02/05/2004 5:50:27 AM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: TexKat
According to our sources this was accomplished on or about 20 January 2004. Details at the www.homelandsecurityus.com web site.
6,413 posted on 02/05/2004 5:56:59 AM PST by Sean Osborne Lomax (http://www.HomelandSecurityUS.com)
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To: ContemptofCourt
"Russia would not give them the bomb?"

ROTFL...

Give? Give??? rotfl...

Nothing is FREE not even to hard line commies.

According to Yossef Bodansky (Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America) AQ purchased its nukes via the Chechen (ie: Russians) for $30 million in cash and &70 million in Afghan opium.

You should read this book, it is most enlightening.
6,414 posted on 02/05/2004 6:01:43 AM PST by Sean Osborne Lomax (http://www.HomelandSecurityUS.com)
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To: Sean Osborne Lomax
Hi.
??????????????????!!!!!!!!
6,415 posted on 02/05/2004 6:19:52 AM PST by Calpernia (http://members.cox.net/classicweb/Heroes/heroes.htm)
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To: milkncookies
No need to apologize. I was only attempting to respond to you with the same level of logic in which your questions were posed.

Would it help if I bolded certain words?

As to your facts, I am forced to assume these were statements made by Mr. Putin directly to you as there is no source cited yet you declare them as "cold, hard facts."

The quote comes from an article cited about 100 posts prior to mine, from either of the venerable sources of WND or Newsmax.

I never stated that Russia would take over the U.S. That's a strawman argument. Please cite "evidence" that muslims are a threat to the Russians at this time. Please include any threats you are aware of by Muslim groups to bring down Russia as they have the U.S.

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9910/10/russia.chechnya.01/

October 1999

"Russia will send envoys to several Islamic nations to explain Russia's objectives in Chechnya, officials in the Foreign Ministry said."

"One official told CNN the plans are not final, but Russia does not want Islamic countries in the Mideast to feel uneasy about the ongoing conflict in predominantly Muslim Chechnya."

"The Russian emissaries will travel to Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other countries to explain that Russia's action is "not directed against Muslims," the Foreign Ministry source said."

"Militants who invaded Dagestan from Chechnya, for example, have said their aim was to set up an Islamic state in the region. The Russian government charges the militants are terrorists, backed by international supporters."

You state they (Russia) do not have the "time" to deal withh nuking the U.S. and dealing with the aftermath" yet you do not point to "evidence" or "fact" supporting this. What in the heck is keeping them so busy?

Moscow Times
January 9, 2003
Hazers Fill Officers' Void
By Pavel Felgenhauer

Last week there was another case of mass desertions by Russian conscript soldiers -- this time from a unit of the Federal Railroad Troops near St. Petersburg. Similar to a recent mass desertion from a unit near Moscow, the soldiers took a train to the city and went directly to the St. Petersburg office of the Soldiers' Mothers Committee to complain of abuse by their commanding officers.

The mass desertion got lots of publicity on national television channels. A representative of the railroad troops -- once part of the Defense Ministry before becoming an independent armed force in the 1990s -- claimed the soldiers were "hooligans" who had attempted to consume alcoholic beverages in the barracks to celebrate the New Year and, after being disciplined by officers, deserted to escape punishment.

Abuse of conscripts has long been a feature of Russian military service. In most cases, newly enlisted conscripts are hazed by their longer-serving comrades -- so-called grandfathers -- who have served at least 1 1/2 years of the two-year term. This abuse often leads to desertions, shooting incidents and widespread suicides by conscripts who are physically and sometimes sexually assaulted, according to evidence gathered by Soldiers' Mothers and other human rights groups.

But the recent mass desertions from units near Moscow and St. Petersburg seem to be a special case. Many of the deserters were in fact grandfathers -- conscripts with only several months left to serve who, according to military tradition, enjoy unofficial privileges in barracks. Apparently it was the grandfathers themselves who organized the mass desertions, a sign that the hazing system is beginning to break up.

Unlike in the West, Russian military units do not have professional noncommissioned officers. After World War II, the number of experienced corporals and sergeants tumbled. By the 1960s, they had virtually disappeared as a breed. The few who remained -- the praporshchiki -- mostly occupied administrative and logistics positions. Units were run by young conscripts who became NCOs after just five months of sergeant school.

These half-baked sergeants in most cases were not ready to be true leaders of detachments. Nor were they experienced enough to keep discipline and order in conscript units. Today, unit commanders concern themselves with battle strategy and, wanting not to be bothered with supervising troops' daily life and discipline, delegate to grandfathers the dirty work of keeping order among their peers in the barracks, while they, the professional officers, return home to their families at night.

From the 1960s, grandfathers began to take on the roles of the nonexistent professional NCOs -- safeguarding discipline, order and unit traditions. Commanding officers tended to turn a blind eye to the grandfathers' methods of disciplining younger soldiers -- as long as there was some sort of order in the barracks. As the conscript saying goes: The first year, the grandfathers beat you; the second year, you, in turn, beat up the newly enlisted.

Hazing has allowed the preservation of a semblance of military order, but only while allowing terrible abuse and sadistic outrages. Since the late 1980s, the press has exposed military hazing. Soldiers' Mothers committees were formed to help stop the abuse. Defense Ministry chiefs publicly acknowledged the problem, promising to eradicate it.

Of course, hazing has not disappeared. Instead, it has worsened in many cases. The Defense Ministry steadfastly refuses to consider plans to create a professional NCO corps, but as long as there are no professional NCOs, grandfathers will remain indispensable as an organizing force in the barracks, and officers will continue to permit hazing.

But now, with grandfathers' desertions, it seems this seemingly stable, inhumane system is beginning to fall apart from the inside. Discipline, morale and professionalism of Russian officers are at an all-time low. Career officers work second jobs to feed families and neglect their service duties. They steal and sell military hardware. They extort bribes from soldiers and their parents in exchange for favors, while the grandfathers hold things together in the units.

The Russian officer corps is losing respect and authority from among the rank and file. The grandfathers are organizing mass protests in the form of desertions to defend their rights and privileges. If officers are often drunk on the job -- why can't soldiers?

Pavel Felgenhauer is an independent defense analyst and Moscow Times columnist.

MnC, I'm not a weatherman, but I'm pretty sure that we need not fear this pathetic group taking over the US next week.

You say "You see, why would they shut off their ATM machine?" Their ATM machine is running dry, and China has replaced much of what the U.S. provided in earlier years. Please, allow me to share with you this little "fact": Leonid Ivashov of Russia’s Geopolitical Problems Academy (You probably are hearing his name for the first time, but please try to remember it) three days after September 11, 2002 said "The present state of Russia satisfies U.S. interests,” explained Ivashov three days after the Sept. 11 attacks. “What will be tomorrow is unclear.” “Thus, the U.S. is now at a transition point. She has come to the climax of her military-power adventures for grabbing power over the planet. I think this peak will be crossed in one and a half to two years, after which the USA will retreat from its positions as a result of economic problems.” They saw the ATM running dry well before today.

Ahh, yes, the good General Ivashov....a hardline nationalist Russian hawk....removed from his postion in July 2001 for being a hardliner and being critical of the West and the US....what he says carries no weight.

Yes they (Russia) are sitting on the third largest oil reserve in the world. May I present to you another little "fact"? Domestic oil production in the U.S. peaked in 1970. This is well known and can be found through a simple search on the net. Guess where the second largest reserve is? Venezuela. Guess where the largest reserve is? SA. Is it beginning to come in loud and clear yet?

So we should invade Venezuela next? (That's sarcasm).

You say" Fifth, if Russia really did want to take over the US, would they tell us weeks in advance to prepare?" I must not have gotten that memo. when did they tell us to start preparing? Are you referring to the largest nuclear exercise conducted by Russia in over 20 years, the one in which they will actually be launching satellites, the same one in which they will test "their missile defense system"? While I have not taken the position that this exercise is an excuse for launching an attack on the U.S., what better way to deploy, carry out logistics and position themselves than under the guise of an "exercise"?

Boo! What a better way for the US to "deploy, carry out logistics and position themselves" to invade Russia than to invade Iraq and Afghanastan under the guise of fighting terrorism. (Do you get my point?)

COC, you don't have to be a weatherman to own a winter coat.

Obviously not, when you can cite to scary, high placed Russian sources such as the ousted Col-General Leonid.

6,416 posted on 02/05/2004 6:34:13 AM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: Sean Osborne Lomax
Sean, I was talking about a source, not a price. It is clear that OBL had the $, just needed a source. If Russia is using OBL, then why not sell him some nukes.
6,417 posted on 02/05/2004 6:46:11 AM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: ContemptofCourt
Very nice reply. Very nice indeed.
6,418 posted on 02/05/2004 7:33:35 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: ContemptofCourt
It's good to see a post from you with some substance and apparent thought.

If posts from you such as this one were sprinkled with a little humility and decorum as are the posts from most of the people here are, you might actually be taken more seriously.

No one here pretends to have THE answer(s). We are all expressing ideas and OPINIONS which you seem to take personally if you don't agree with them, but that's what makes this thread so interesting and intriguing. With very few exceptions (You being one of them) have I seen anyone disagree with a posted idea or hypothesis without respect and courtesy. Why are you so combative and sarcastic in your posts?
6,419 posted on 02/05/2004 7:55:28 AM PST by milkncookies (When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not your friend.)
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To: ContemptofCourt
Excellent points CofC.
6,420 posted on 02/05/2004 8:04:13 AM PST by labolarueda ("The Passion of Christ" - Ash Wednesday, February 25th)
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