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Water Found on Mars - Is There Life?
AP ^ | 1-23-04 | AP

Posted on 01/23/2004 4:00:02 PM PST by ambrose

Water Found on Mars - Is There Life?

Posted: January 23, 2004 at 12:52 p.m.

DARMSTADT, Germany (AP) -- A European spacecraft has found the most direct evidence yet of water in the form of ice on Mars, detecting molecules vaporizing from the Red Planet's south pole, scientists said Friday.

The quest for water on Mars -- which could indicate life -- has fascinated scientists for centuries.

The Mars Express, launched last year by the European Space Agency, made the discovery with its infrared camera while circling the planet's south pole.

Scientists have long believed the planet's poles contain frozen water, but previous findings -- including NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter's evidence of large amounts of ice -- were based more on inferences, European scientists said.

While the Mars Odyssey has indirectly shown the presence of water at the pole using temperature monitors, the European camera has for the first time been able to "literally map the polar cap" using infrared technology that shows where water molecules are present, said scientist Jean-Pierre Bibring.

"You look at the picture, look at the fingerprint, and say this is water ice," said agency scientist Allen Moorehouse. "This is the first time it's been detected on the ground. This is the first direct confirmation."

James Garvin, lead scientist for NASA's Mars exploration program, told The Associated Press on Friday that Mars Express had offered further confirmation of what scientists have long known: "Mars is a water planet."

At a news conference earlier, he said the Europeans' findings were "not unexpected."

"In terms of the impact, that's wonderful results," Garvin said. "It's instant science, and I think the science community is going to want some time to think about what that means in the context of what we're learning."

If Mars once had surface water, it had the potential to support life, although members of the European project have stressed that it was too early to draw conclusions.

In 2001, NASA's Mars Odyssey turned up evidence of lots of ice mixed with the soil, as little as 18 inches from the surface.

Phil Christensen, an Arizona State University professor involved in NASA's Mars projects, said the European findings bolstered such data.

"That is a very nice confirmation of the other measurements that have been previously made," he told AP by telephone.

As far back as 1940, scientists using telescopes saw vapors they believed indicated the presence of water. But in the 1960s, the first Mars mission revealed the planet to be frozen, dry and covered with craters and deep ravines.

Conflicting and inconclusive information has been coming in ever since.

The latest round of martian exploration, including Mars Express and NASA's twin rovers, Spirit and Opportunity, are using highly sophisticated instruments to map the mineralogical makeup of the planet's surface and search for evidence of past water activity.

NASA received data from the Spirit rover Friday for the first time in two days, ending fears its mission may have come to a calamitous halt, although it is not yet functioning fully.

While the infrared camera on Mars Express analyzes reflections of sunlight to map the surface and determine its mineralogical and atmospheric composition, the rovers are on the ground searching for indications that water once flowed.

In coming months, European scientists will switch on Mars Express' powerful radar, which is capable of searching below the surface, beyond the range of the infrared camera. The radar will be probing for carbonates -- contained in limestone -- that would help prove whether water once flowed.

Information from all the instruments, as well as high-resolution images captured by another camera on the orbiter that has already sent back detailed pictures of Mars, will be pooled together to provide a more complete overall picture.

The data, including martian weather patterns, will be crucial for planning future missions, including the possibility of landing a human on the planet, said Michael McKay, European flight operations director.

The European Space Agency's Mars Express orbiter is part of Europe's first mission to Mars. Mars Express entered on Dec. 25 and began transmitting its first data from the planet this month. It has failed to pick up a signal from its surface probe, the British-made Beagle II, which had been scheduled to land Dec. 25.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: mars; martians
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1 posted on 01/23/2004 4:00:04 PM PST by ambrose
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To: ambrose
Is that a pitbull I see peeing in between the rocks?
2 posted on 01/23/2004 4:15:00 PM PST by chicagolady
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To: Phil V.
ping.
3 posted on 01/23/2004 4:23:45 PM PST by ambrose
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To: gonzo; DB; <1/1,000,000th%; 68 grunt; AdmSmith; Alamo-Girl; anymouse; balrog666; BellStar; blam; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this MARS ping list please FRail me
4 posted on 01/23/2004 4:23:51 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
Hmm.. Wonder..
If Mars had liquid surface water at some point, what caused it to cease being liquid and retreat to ice caps?
5 posted on 01/23/2004 4:28:19 PM PST by Darksheare (This is a normal tagline, there is nothing to fear.. feaR... FeAr...FEAR.)
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To: ambrose
Of course all of this talk about life on other planets is just plain daft. Everyone knows that the chances of silicon atoms coming together in exactly the right patterns to form life are so slight that it is obvious to anyone with a ha'porth of sense that this is the only planet in the universe with any life at all. Some crazy so-and-sos have even suggested that life could be formed from carbon ... I suppose they'll be telling us next that living things could just extract carbon from the atmosphere! What would they use for energy ... bloody sunlight?

Now I come to the idiotic suggestions that there might be life on the Blue Planet ... named after some ancient god of war, because of it looks a bit like to the colour of blood. Pathetic! It's so hot there that anything living would be boiled alive ... there are oceans of molten ice, for pity's sake! And as if that weren't enough, the atmospheric pressure is a hundred times higher than we could stand ... and a fifth of it is made up of the second most corrosive element in the universe! And as for the tracks which some people claim to have seen through their telescopes ... "roads", they call them, believing that these non-existent inhabitants use them to travel in little self-powered vehicles ... don't these cretins realise that this is just a corruption of "rods", the name for a completely natural straight line rock formation?

No, I can say without any shadow of a doubt that all these lunatic ideas, like the idea that we might one day travel in space, are utter bilge.

http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mars_n.htm

6 posted on 01/23/2004 4:35:12 PM PST by kennedy
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To: kennedy
Get tired of the religion threads?
7 posted on 01/23/2004 7:04:39 PM PST by Professional Engineer (So, Spirit turns to Beagle and says, "Hold my beer and watch this")
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To: Darksheare
The atmosphere is nearly gone, too. Also half the crust has disappeared. Probably a huge asteroid impact, same thing that happened to earth and created the moon while excavating the Pacific Ocean basin and the same thing that will happen eventually to earth again and end this picnic.
8 posted on 01/23/2004 7:08:33 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: kennedy
HO!!--Good Fun!!

Of Course "Life" is a Remote Possibility--Anywhere.

But Then, we know SO LITTLE about what defines/Constitutes "Life!!"

Usually, our "Intellectual Arrogance" Clouds our ability to accurately interpret Data.

Doc

9 posted on 01/23/2004 7:15:17 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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To: Professional Engineer
I think that it would be funny to have such sentiments expressed in a religious thread. Then again, some of the more stuck-up folks wouldn't recognize his form of sarcasm.
10 posted on 01/23/2004 8:26:37 PM PST by Dimensio (The only thing you feel when you take a human life is recoil. -- Frank "Earl" Jones)
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To: Darksheare
If Mars had liquid surface water at some point, what caused it to cease being liquid and retreat to ice caps?

Low temperatures come to mind.

11 posted on 01/23/2004 9:25:17 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: ambrose
I would say that what we are looking at is dry ice (solid CO2).
12 posted on 01/23/2004 9:40:13 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Proud member - Neoconservative Power Vortex)
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To: RightWhale
When peeling an onion, each relatively thin layer of the onion removed subtracts a much more significant amount of area or mass. Thus, an impact, or a few, that would remove relatively shallow amounts of crust, would in fact remove a significant amount of mass, thus reducing the gravity, and thus having less pull on atmosphere and water vapor. The heavier gases, notably CO2 would tend to remain, while the lighter ones, N2 and O2 would drift out to space. IF mars was once indeed water and O2 rich, your hypothesis could certainly cause the present condition. (remids me of the dying planet of ER burroughs martian series, ie the dying planet barsoom.)
13 posted on 01/23/2004 9:53:44 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Hmmm..
14 posted on 01/24/2004 9:45:30 AM PST by Darksheare (Ignore the man behind the tagline!)
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To: kennedy
there are oceans of molten ice, for pity's sake!

LOL!

15 posted on 01/24/2004 1:41:47 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: going hot
I've been wondering how we could keep the Martian atmosphere from escaping once we start producing oxygen and terraforming the planet. After all, what good would it be to build up a nice, thick oxygen atmosphere to sustain a new civilization on Mars, only to see all that expensive oxygen drift off into space in a thousand years?

I say we give the scientists 100 years to explore Mars. Then we start dropping all the asteroids in the asteroid belt onto the planet. With luck, we can drop enough large asteroids onto Mars that their total mass will increase Mars' gravity enough to trap more of the future atmosphere for far longer than it would otherwise.

Plus, all those asteroid impacts will throw up enough dust that we can get the greenhouse effect going.

16 posted on 01/24/2004 1:50:28 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: jennyp
sort of like back filling the swamp for a new housing project. i like it!! :-)
17 posted on 01/24/2004 1:57:24 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: jennyp
It might be more fruitful to make Mars the moon of Venus, put that combination at a trojan point to earth, and bombard earth's moon with comets. The would leave Mercury with no use.

Or make Mercury the moon of Venus and make Mars into earth's moon and send the moon into free orbit in the asteroid belt and bombard it with all the asteroids and comets until it is big enough to support a mining colony.

18 posted on 01/24/2004 2:07:46 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Professional Engineer
Get tired of the religion threads?

I'm not sure you actually read my post before you responded. It was a satire. I realize that there is life on the Blue Planet, despite the oceans of molten ice.

19 posted on 01/24/2004 3:38:05 PM PST by kennedy
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To: RightWhale
That seems like an awful lot of work. Why not just ignite Jupiter into another sun so that we can colonize all of its moons? Except Europa of course.
20 posted on 01/24/2004 3:47:48 PM PST by kennedy
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