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>>"Women, who actually have no natural instinct to have sex, only to procreate..."
I disagree. Women do not have an "instinct" to procreate. Human beings have few instincts, which include sucking, crying, etc.<<
Your opinions are your opinions, but on this one you'll have to come up with some proof. All of the instincts that you describe are those which lead to survival. Organisms have two main instincts, survival and procreation. If you use that theory, they why do men masterbate with the organs of a woman he does not know? It isn't a mature caring relationship, him pleasing her/her pleasing him. Why take the risk of STD's and the implantion of a child with a stranger?

>>"As long as Abortion is used as birth control, why worry?"

I don't know any woman who uses abortion rather than birth control. A woman like that would be cavalier, I agree.<<

Any woman who will have an abortion, has this as a back door to birth control. Those of us who will not consider the consequences of an unplanned pregnancy and take the appropriate steps. What is wrong with "petting" the way our grandparents did?

>>"No man is an island, we need to care about each other. All the facts need to be told to a woman. Let them see the Ultrasound of that 'fetus' and see how many woman still make the choice."

I don't agree with the premise that "no man is an island" therefore we are responsible for each other. I do not believe in the ethical argument that I am "my brother's keeper." It's nice of other people to do nice things for me out of kindness, but I don't expect them to, nor do I think they're immoral for not taking care of me.<<
Okay, let me simplify it. Those people are in the grocery store with me, their kids are in my schools. The consequences of people's emotions affect you. If one sees life from a self-centered point of view, unintended consequences happen.

>>Facts are readily available to women about abortion. A woman would have to be mentally spaced out not to be aware of the issues on abortion. I don't know any women like that. I believe most doctors will do an ultrasound of the fetus very early in the pregnancy these days. Many women who "choose" abortion will have seen that picture. I don't think it would persuade as many as you think. Each has her own reason for seeking abortion. It's an individual right in a free society, at least until conservatives pass a law against it.<<
You, my FRiend have no clue what you are talking about. When a woman walks into an abortion clinic, they NEVER show her the ultrasound of that child. (for most women choosing abortion, this is the only health worker she sees) An ultrasound, if used is for the doctor to direct the abortion. If you truly think that information is out there, you have never sat in the position of choosing. If one goes on the internet to get information, it is either Christian based (which will turn people off) or pro abortion. One site is rational, that is OB/GYNs for Life. They speak from a medical point of view.

>>"Brain waves can be detected in the unborn..."

Whether there are brain waves or not, the fetus is not conscious. Human beings are born tabula rasa, as the Ancient Greek philosophers defined the issue. That means we believe at birth the mind is a total blank. Though the potential for brain activity exists in the fetus, consciousness does not. The soul is not there, yet.<<

Again, this is only your reality. The medical community cannot agree when conscience is there. If the experts cannot give a conclusive result, you are rationalizing.

>>"A human zygote will not be anything but a human being."

I agree. But you concede the point by admitting that it "will be" a human being. That's the crucial point. Scientifically, a fetus becomes a human being when it can survive independent of the host, the mother. That is why abortion is not murder. You can kill life, thus my example of killing wasps, but that is different than murder, which applies to human beings.<<
A zygote becomes an embryo at the point of cell division. If the cells do not divide, then it is not a human is it?

This quote "Scientifically, a fetus becomes a human being when it can survive independent of the host" shows that your opinion is based on feelings. Scientists can't agree on it. If anything, Your word "host" would put a fetus in the realm of a parasite on the mother. Also, explain the abortion of viable fetus'.

>>Now, after making a good faith effort to answer you as best I can, I don't expect to be called a murderer anymore. None of you agree with me. But you have to admit, that as I define it, a fetus is not murdered, a conscious human being is not killed, and a woman is not immoral for aborting a fetus, by my definition, not yours. <<

This is your most telling statement "..that as I define it, a fetus is not murdered" If you want to argue with people, you have to get a little more facts than "I" think.

>>I have never called a person who doesn't agree with me on abortion a sinner, a disgusting ghoul, or any other such thing. Someone told me I'd be a killer of my sick parent because of my opinion. That is so off the wall, I can't quite believe it. By what human logic does my belief that the fetus is not yet a human being translate into my being an immoral, unprincipled, callous child to my father?<<

I really wish I could agree with you on this. By your rational, if your father were in a coma on a vent, but the doctors said that he needs some time and care to recover, you feel that it's alright to pull the plug. See?
A fetus needs nothing more than time.