"I Had an Abortion" [Mega-Barf]

Hartford Advocate ^ | 1/22/04 | Lorraine Gengo

[GUIDO]

I don't know any abortion stories with happy endings.>/b>

Because when it is all said and done, there is none. All of these stories are sad sad sad. Multiple marriages, multiple relationships, multiple divorces.

I do hope they air this, this could turn out to be a documentry on WHY YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ONE.

[mrs tiggywinkle]

*****Interesting choice of words as I don't recall ever writing nor thinking that abortion was "cool".

You're right. You didn't use the word 'cool'. You made reference that abortion has been sought throughout the ages...as if it's nothing new, so what's the deal?

*****I'm sorry where was this particular rule posted that the topic at hand was to deal only with abortions that were not the result of incest or rape?

The majority of abortions are 'on demand'. That is what the article is referring to. Perhaps you'd like to stay on subject?

*****why many of you posting here think the women who have made that particular decision are evil and must always feel a deep sense of shame for their actions.

I never said they were evil, feanorah. I *was* a post abortion counselor though and have seen/known/helped a great number of women with post abortion issues.

*****I have never personally had an abortion and I hope that I never am in a position where I have to make that decision. I am, however, thankful that I live in a society that gives me a right to have control over my own body.

I'm thankful you haven't been in that situation. Truly, I am. Praytell feanorah...does the pre-born child have a say in the matter? Seek your heart of hearts on this...don't turn away from the reality.

Just curious...what brought you to Free Republic?

[PLMerite]

Repentant is great. I have no problem with someone seeing the error of their ways and admitting they were wrong. I've made more than my share of mistakes, too.

I even admire defiance sometimes. But I don't admire these particular women.

[mrs tiggywinkle]

From your post #60: *****I am pro-abortion, proudly so.*****

Sounds like a cause for celebration, huh? Did you really think this would be a touchy feeling thread for you to share your anti-life rhetoric?

*****I'm over and out on this thread. Believe it or not, I actually have feelings. And it takes a stronger soul than me to endure the abusive attacks.*****

So do the rest of us, Westerner. And so do the pre-born babies you are so proud to support the abortion of.

[mrs tiggywinkle]

**But I don't admire these particular women. **

Me either. It's a new level all their own.

[Live free or die]

This is one of the most vile things I've ever heard from a human being.

When I first read this I quite literally fell out of my chair and sat on the floor for a little bit trying to digest that sentance. That was about 20 minutes ago and I'm still chewing on it...There are times when I almost hope there isn't a God. That way there's no one's judgement to be afraid of.

[Brad’s Gramma]

I wrote a response to you in #73.

You originally wrote: What I'm really trying to understand about pro-lifers like you who are so emotionally invested in another person's life, is why?

And I wrote to you.... If I saw that your life was in danger, and I had the means to save you....using your logic, I shall have to let you die. Right?

And I'm waiting to see if you accidently didn't see the post...please answer.

[Brad’s Gramma]

The Slippery Slope Continues....

[netmilsmom]

>>"Women, who actually have no natural instinct to have sex, only to procreate..."
I disagree. Women do not have an "instinct" to procreate. Human beings have few instincts, which include sucking, crying, etc.<<
Your opinions are your opinions, but on this one you'll have to come up with some proof. All of the instincts that you describe are those which lead to survival. Organisms have two main instincts, survival and procreation. If you use that theory, they why do men masterbate with the organs of a woman he does not know? It isn't a mature caring relationship, him pleasing her/her pleasing him. Why take the risk of STD's and the implantion of a child with a stranger?

>>"As long as Abortion is used as birth control, why worry?"

I don't know any woman who uses abortion rather than birth control. A woman like that would be cavalier, I agree.<<

Any woman who will have an abortion, has this as a back door to birth control. Those of us who will not consider the consequences of an unplanned pregnancy and take the appropriate steps. What is wrong with "petting" the way our grandparents did?

>>"No man is an island, we need to care about each other. All the facts need to be told to a woman. Let them see the Ultrasound of that 'fetus' and see how many woman still make the choice."

I don't agree with the premise that "no man is an island" therefore we are responsible for each other. I do not believe in the ethical argument that I am "my brother's keeper." It's nice of other people to do nice things for me out of kindness, but I don't expect them to, nor do I think they're immoral for not taking care of me.<<
Okay, let me simplify it. Those people are in the grocery store with me, their kids are in my schools. The consequences of people's emotions affect you. If one sees life from a self-centered point of view, unintended consequences happen.


>>Facts are readily available to women about abortion. A woman would have to be mentally spaced out not to be aware of the issues on abortion. I don't know any women like that. I believe most doctors will do an ultrasound of the fetus very early in the pregnancy these days. Many women who "choose" abortion will have seen that picture. I don't think it would persuade as many as you think. Each has her own reason for seeking abortion. It's an individual right in a free society, at least until conservatives pass a law against it.<<
You, my FRiend have no clue what you are talking about. When a woman walks into an abortion clinic, they NEVER show her the ultrasound of that child. (for most women choosing abortion, this is the only health worker she sees) An ultrasound, if used is for the doctor to direct the abortion. If you truly think that information is out there, you have never sat in the position of choosing. If one goes on the internet to get information, it is either Christian based (which will turn people off) or pro abortion. One site is rational, that is OB/GYNs for Life. They speak from a medical point of view.

>>"Brain waves can be detected in the unborn..."

Whether there are brain waves or not, the fetus is not conscious. Human beings are born tabula rasa, as the Ancient Greek philosophers defined the issue. That means we believe at birth the mind is a total blank. Though the potential for brain activity exists in the fetus, consciousness does not. The soul is not there, yet.<<

Again, this is only your reality. The medical community cannot agree when conscience is there. If the experts cannot give a conclusive result, you are rationalizing.

>>"A human zygote will not be anything but a human being."

I agree. But you concede the point by admitting that it "will be" a human being. That's the crucial point. Scientifically, a fetus becomes a human being when it can survive independent of the host, the mother. That is why abortion is not murder. You can kill life, thus my example of killing wasps, but that is different than murder, which applies to human beings.<<
A zygote becomes an embryo at the point of cell division. If the cells do not divide, then it is not a human is it?

This quote "Scientifically, a fetus becomes a human being when it can survive independent of the host" shows that your opinion is based on feelings. Scientists can't agree on it. If anything, Your word "host" would put a fetus in the realm of a parasite on the mother. Also, explain the abortion of viable fetus'.

>>Now, after making a good faith effort to answer you as best I can, I don't expect to be called a murderer anymore. None of you agree with me. But you have to admit, that as I define it, a fetus is not murdered, a conscious human being is not killed, and a woman is not immoral for aborting a fetus, by my definition, not yours. <<

This is your most telling statement "..that as I define it, a fetus is not murdered" If you want to argue with people, you have to get a little more facts than "I" think.

>>I have never called a person who doesn't agree with me on abortion a sinner, a disgusting ghoul, or any other such thing. Someone told me I'd be a killer of my sick parent because of my opinion. That is so off the wall, I can't quite believe it. By what human logic does my belief that the fetus is not yet a human being translate into my being an immoral, unprincipled, callous child to my father?<<

I really wish I could agree with you on this. By your rational, if your father were in a coma on a vent, but the doctors said that he needs some time and care to recover, you feel that it's alright to pull the plug. See?
A fetus needs nothing more than time.

[ItsOurTimeNow]

Having gone through 4 years of infertility treatments I would beg to differ.

We've been trying to give our daughter a sibling for 3 years now. After all that time, frustration, tears, and a few miscarriages, reading this article makes me want to vomit.

I know what you're going through. I got yer back.

[mrs tiggywinkle]

Freepmail coming shortly.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

She knew she didn't want the child.

My mother told me long ago that men and women don't decide when they have a child; God decides.

All these boastful women and those who aided them are damned.

The elderly Latvian refugee is four-times damned.

[Siamese Princess]

I find it interesting when elderly women defend abortion, and in these cases, actually defend having them. They don't realize that they are on the to-be-killed list, too.

Don't make a trip to Holland.

[madprof98]

Believe it or not, I actually have feelings.

Yeah, right: anger, hatred, lust, greed, contempt - all feelings. When moral principles go, feelings are what is left. That's why the Left promotes "tolerance" as the one and only virtue, and offending the sensibilities of others as the one and only vice. But killing babies? Oh, that's a very complex issue . . .

[mrs tiggywinkle]

bump

[ohioWfan]

You are not suffering 'abuse.' You are suffering the honest and horrified reactions at your callous attitude toward a human being, not yet born.

Babies are being murdered. They feel pain. That's a fact

Women who murder their unborn babies suffer enormous emotional problems because anyone who has carried a child KNOWS that it is a separate human being inside her.

You have never answered my question. Who has brainwashed you into such an unfeeling state?

[ohioWfan]

I know the argument is that these are "living" humans, yes, so is a every other species' unborn fetus, eggs, etc. Why not the exact same sensitivity over killing nests of wasps?

I know that your feelings were hurt because someone called you 'ghoulish,' but just in case you have enough courage to revisit this thread, I just want to remind you of what you said.

You are callous, illogical, and advocating the murder of human beings. You have compared the unborn child, with its functioning brain, and heart, fingers and toes, nerve endings, and potential for great things, to a NEST OF WASPS!

In my entire life, I have NEVER read words so ugly, and evil. NEVER.

And yet YOU are whining at our reaction, and have left with your tail between your legs.

That makes you an evil COWARD.

[nmh]

"The whole act of women telling their story and standing up and saying, 'I had an abortion, and I'm not ashamed,' and showing the universality of it is the power of this video," Aldrich says.

Abortion IS something to be ashamed of. There is a reason WHY they didn't disclose this before - they ARE ashamed of it but live in denial. Now they seek solace with other lost souls still in denial of this terrible sin. It will haunt even them to the day they die. You can't rationalize it away. If I had to rate sins, I'd say this one is one of the worst that a female can commit.

A mother is supposed to protect her unborn and children - not use legalized premeditated murder endorsed by our lovely "traditional" medical community. Our "traditional" medical community should have rejected it - they didn't and very few speak out against it.

I wonder ... when they stand in front of God ... will they be so smug and arrogant? Will they still be trying to blame someone else for what they did? Will God "understand" why they murdered their baby? After His judgment ... wonder will they will spend eternity?

It would serve them well to admit their shame and seek forgiveness while they still can.

[nmh]

They are desperately trying to count act the women who are SORRY for their abortion. Of that, there are MANY.

[nmh]

Yes, they are still trying to convince others that what they did was right. Only other lost souls will buy into that nonsense.