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To: Doc On The Bay
"Once again...sigh;;;;let'" me be as condescending and patronizing as possible to the little morons..."".."

No thanks doc. You go ahead and play by yourself.

Just keep the facts straight. 35 years after Columbus and L&C, thousands of settler were following them on THEIR OWN DIME.

35 years after Apollo we have....not one private venture able to follow them.

So talk of "colonizing" the moon or Mars is sophistry, mental masturbation you hope to foist off on other starry-eyed Trekkies.

Sorry Doc, you need to pay for your own circle jerk. I ain't buying your childish fantasy.

78 posted on 01/21/2004 10:28:45 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee; Doc On The Bay
Just keep the facts straight. 35 years after Columbus and L&C, thousands of settler were following them on THEIR OWN DIME.

Yes, please keep the facts straight and straight facts show that you are grossly incorrect. As Rimmer from "Red Dwarf" would say," Wrong, wrong, simply brimming with wrongability."

No settlers could afford to "follow on their own dime." The expenses to mount an expedition for a new settlement were astronomical. Therefor the colonies were granted charters by the Crown to Crown companies who used capital, from the Crown and tax breaks for their own levies, to supply the first expeditions. The colonists were employees or bonded to the companies. Some colonies, like Maryland, were deeded directly to relatives of the immediate royal family and again, used monies of the Crown to finance colonization. Other colonies like South Carolina were owned directly by the King and settled by his loyal supporters and paid for by the Crown once again. Finally, Georgia was settled as a penal and debtors colony - every penny paid for by the government.

Even the early attempts by the Dutch and the Spanish were paid by the Crown, in the case of Spain, or paid for by a government agency in the case of the Dutch West Indies Company.

Settlers paying their own way didn't occur until after the colonies were established and growing on their own. Even then, it wasn't as common as generally assumed. That would be in the late 1600's and early 1700's - long after your "35 years and thousands."

Throughout human history, exploration, colonization, and necessary technological advances have been financed by a government or governing body. It is a task that requires the focus of a society - not individuals - and not a charity foundation.

94 posted on 01/22/2004 2:05:44 AM PST by Ophiucus
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