[ambrose]

I thought Hoagland was one of those who claimed we've already had manned missions to Mars, but the government has kept the results secret lest the public be shocked out of their senses. Then again, I may be confusing him with someone else....

[RightWhale]

Hoagland has been saying there are things on the moon and Mars that need checked out on the ground. Whether he has been claiming secret flights to the moon I don't know. Don't think so. Certainly not Mars. But that we might be originally from Mars a long time ago he has mentioned. Who knows, anything is possible. He has done more to stimulate interest in Mars than anyone with his Face and the City and various remnants and ruins he has spotted in published Mars images. Can't say that I see any of that myself.