[looscnnn]

"A job is a business arrangement, it has no substance and can't be shipped anywhere. The conditions of that arrangement are governed by supply and demand and the parties grasp and understanding of reality."

In the case of the IBM programmers, the supply and demand of the jobs did not change, just the location of where the job is to be done at (India). For autoworkers in Flint, MI in the 1980s, the supply and demand did not change, just the location (Mexico and southern states). Face it, your thinking is flawed. You must have attended one of those colleges that teach you how to "operate in the world".

"Thinking comes first. W/o that all else is futile and the pay will be low. Stability and success also depends on it."

I think Mike Tyson during his prime is a counter point, he was paid well and did not do a lot of thinking. Granted this has come back to haunt him, but still it is counter to what you claim. Also, I would like you go get a job as a surgeon and when they ask about experience and education, just tell them that you can think. Also, tell them that "thinking comes first" and see how quickly you get laughed out of the office.

"The real question that should be asked is why does anyone pay that much to a place that will let them graduate holding the notion that the world owes them a pay scale?"

They don't hold that notion, they do it because a most good paying jobs require a degree.

[spunkets]

"In the case of the IBM programmers, the supply and demand of the jobs did not change.

It did change! There's probably a slight increase in demand and at least twice as many programers. Some programers made IBM a better offer. Same with the auto companies; they got a better offer.

" Face it, your thinking is flawed."

Sure it is.

" You must have attended one of those colleges that teach you how to "operate in the world"."

Not really. The profs weren't that good and some were incompetent. Books are a more certain source of knowledge. Try Friedman and Hayek; they wrote excellent books on economics.

"still it is counter to what you claim.

Mr. Tyson was a showman. He never put any effort into thinking, let alone paying attn to anyone that might have tried to get him to do so.

"Also, I would like you go get a job as a surgeon and when they ask about experience and education, just tell them that you can think. Also, tell them that "thinking comes first" and see how quickly you get laughed out of the office.

Don't be ridiculous; surgeons are required to obtain a license before they hang a single. That requires experience and education. However, the license does not indicate the quality of the surgeon. It only means the surgeon met the requirements.

"... they do it because a most good paying jobs require a degree."

The degree is a license to operate anywhere they are welcome. In general it's their performance in the real world that gets them the income. Many big buck programers that will never lose their marketability are a mixed bag of bachelors degrees and nondegreed folks. No one owes them a pay based on their education.