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To: DustyMoment
"I saw this coming back when the news broke about all the tech jobs being shipped offshore. When we ship high-paying technical jobs offshore,... "

No one is shipping the jobs offshore. The demand for the services is being met by capable folks charging less. There is no real connection of pay with job duty. The pay scale is based on supply and demand. These are things a student in HS should learn. If they're in college they shouldn't graduate if they don't know and understand it.

"what do we tell our kids to study in college in order for them to get a good job with a stable career when they get out of college?"

College should be a place where students learn how to think, do and operate in the world. It's not a place to learn fixed job skills to exist in some theoretical high paying niche forever. I don't see the point in spending all that money on college when the students expect other folks to provide them with high paying niches. The point of going to college is to enable the student to creat those niches for himself.

" I foresaw the damage that would occur if we allowed these jobs to leave the US.

There's nothing more damaging to Freedom than an artificially planned economy to protect adults that have recieved significant monies that supposedly were spent to enable them to operate in a free enterprise system.

" When we don't have high-paying, high-tech jobs to offer our kids, those departments in the colleges and universitires begain to feel the pinch and will eventually close."

Who is this we that is supposed to provide for the perpetual kids? Who sets supply and demand? They should feel the pinch and close if their operations aren't worth it.

42 posted on 01/21/2004 7:09:32 AM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
College should be a place where students learn how to think, do and operate in the world. It's not a place to learn fixed job skills to exist in some theoretical high paying niche forever.

Then I want my money back.

46 posted on 01/21/2004 7:19:38 AM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: spunkets
"No one is shipping the jobs offshore." Really? Most of IBM's 315,000 employees are today already overseas. But now IBM is planning to move an additional 4,700 programing jobs offshore. from http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/27989/view?viewtype=best "The demand for the services is being met by capable folks charging less." Another way to say that jobs are going out of the country and to foriegners (illegal or legal). "College should be a place where students learn how to think, do and operate in the world. It's not a place to learn fixed job skills to exist in some theoretical high paying niche forever." What is all the education prior to college for? Where will they learn the skills to do the jobs? Do you really think that companies will hire someone that has no clue how to do a job, just because they know how to "operate in the world"? How can you learn to do and not have job skills? Is that like learning how to just be?
48 posted on 01/21/2004 7:22:37 AM PST by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: spunkets
"No one is shipping the jobs offshore. The demand for the services is being met by capable folks charging less. There is no real connection of pay with job duty. The pay scale is based on supply and demand."

Really!!??

Then, I guess you can explain why nearly a million high-tech jobs that have been lost during the recent Clinton recession have been shipped offshore and are expected to be followed by up to 2 - 3 million more in the next 3 - 5 years. I guess you can explain why American companies are having to pay as much as 50% to 66% of the original development costs to FIX the products being developed by these "capable folks charging less."

I guess you can explain why Dell Computer cancelled the move of its Miami call center to India after receiving a flood of phone calls from customers complaining about the lack of quality of technical service and inability to understand those individuals being paid less to read scripts rather than actually resolve problems based on their own knowledge and experience.

"College should be a place where students learn how to think, do and operate in the world. It's not a place to learn fixed job skills to exist in some theoretical high paying niche forever. I don't see the point in spending all that money on college when the students expect other folks to provide them with high paying niches. The point of going to college is to enable the student to creat those niches for himself."

Did you even think about that paragraph before you wrote it? College costs money, whether it is to teach people to think or to provide the necessary skills to obtain good, high-paying stable careers. If American business demands a better educated workforce, then refuses to pay an equivalent wage, what is the message they are sending to tomorrow's employees? Why should anyone fork over $20,000 or better for an undergraduate degree so they can have the thrill of a job that pays between $7 - $12 per hour so they can compete with people in another part of the world where the cost of living (as is the quality of life) is substantially lower? We all know you get what you pay for. Do you want to fly in an airplane designed by an aeronautical engineer earning $10/hour with a college loan of $35,000 and no chance to ever own his own home, or would you rather fly in an aircraft designed by an aeronautical engineer making $30/hour?

Ya see, the devil's in the details.
69 posted on 01/21/2004 9:34:31 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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