When Jim calls President Bush "Jorge", photoshops him into sombreros and other Mexican garb, well I may wonder about his approach. He doesn't do that crap.
Bush's proposal was about illegal immigrants already here, census bureau saying 30-40% of which are non-Mexican. This is NOT an illegally resident worker or trespasser from Mexico problem, it is a much more important American border security and resident illegal alien accountability problem. All borders. All ethnicities.
This is a vital national concern, but it is absolutely marginalized on this Forum. Bush made a good faith proposal, there's room for people of good will to disagree with the wisdom, but there's no good faith counterproposals (Write in Tancredo HA!) forthcoming from this "think tank".
To some Freepers, whom I don't like one bit, it's at its core a Mexican problem. Legal Immigrant or illegal-immigrant ... THAT's the energy those who feel beseiged by some Bush insult that's keeping 10, 11 or 12 freeping threads running here concurrently 24X7? Gimme a break. They don't like Mexicans. The people. The competition for jobs. The language. The "third world culture". Period. If all illegal immigrants were deported, then brought back over the border legally to their same homes and jobs ... it wouldn't matter ONE IOTA. It's the fact that they are here at all.
No wonder they're not assimilating.
I don't like bigoted stuff. Too bad if you don't like that I don't like bigoted stuff. I see it here, and I'm no polyanna and I'm not working some political program, but I call it when I see it like I would in any other facet of my life outside this cyberplace. You guys go apeshit at even the inference, when it's not personally directed. That speaks volumes to me. Yeah, call me a race baiter ... again. Ouch.
Why do we have to like third world cultures? That's the whole problem in their country in the first place. The reason they have such hopeless poverty for the majority of the people isn't their race --- it's the culture. Just like the difference between Barbados and Haiti isn't race --- it's culture.
Neither do I. Neither does most of the immigration reformers here on FR. You are lumping us together.
Bush's proposal was about illegal immigrants already here, census bureau saying 30-40% of which are non-Mexican. This is NOT an illegally resident worker or trespasser from Mexico problem, it is a much more important American border security and resident illegal alien accountability problem. All borders. All ethnicities.
I don't care where they come from. If they're here illegally, send them home. As for Cochise County where I live and where most of them cross, the majority are Mexicans. There's a number of Other Than Mexicans (OTMs), but most are from Mexico. It is a fact of life here. You are assuming that anti-illegal immigrant sentiment is anti-Mexican. It is not.
This is a vital national concern, but it is absolutely marginalized on this Forum. Bush made a good faith proposal, there's room for people of good will to disagree with the wisdom, but there's no good faith counterproposals (Write in Tancredo HA!) forthcoming from this "think tank".
If you don't like it, and you think the entire forum is polluted with it, go find another forum. We're obviously too stupid for the likes of you.
To some Freepers, whom I don't like one bit, it's at its core a Mexican problem. Legal Immigrant or illegal-immigrant ... THAT's the energy those who feel beseiged by some Bush insult that's keeping 10, 11 or 12 freeping threads running here concurrently 24X7? Gimme a break. They don't like Mexicans. The people. The competition for jobs. The language. The "third world culture". Period. If all illegal immigrants were deported, then brought back over the border legally to their same homes and jobs ... it wouldn't matter ONE IOTA. It's the fact that they are here at all.
Again, you're painting every immigration reformer with a brush of being "anti-Mexican." As for culture, if you don't realize we are in a fight to the death to preserve our culture and western civilization as we know it, then you're not paying attention.
I don't like bigoted stuff. Too bad if you don't like that I don't like bigoted stuff. I see it here, and I'm no polyanna and I'm not working some political program, but I call it when I see it like I would in any other facet of my life outside this cyberplace. You guys go apeshit at even the inference, when it's not personally directed. That speaks volumes to me. Yeah, call me a race baiter ... again. Ouch.
And you go apes**t calling all immigration reformers "bigoted" and implying that we are racist. You know why you brought up VDARE - your intention was obvious to those who know your history here. I don't like bigots either. I don't see all the bigotry that you want to pretend exists. Sure, there's a couple of very angry folks who feel betrayed who come on and talk about mining the border and put a sombrero on President Bush. But your implication that all immigration reformers are up to that kind of stuff is like the City of Fresno calling Free Republic a "hate" website.
If it's only racism --- then why did Cesar Chavez go down to the border with the UFW union and work with border patrol to stop illegals from coming over? He wanted illegals to stay in Mexico --- but was that racist?