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Posted on 01/18/2004 5:53:14 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Female, forty and furious January 19, 2004 - 11:24AM

On the attack ... Sharon Stone, Holly Hunter and Meg Ryan.

Hollywood's most formidable female stars have united to condemn "sexist" film moguls for failing to find roles for women over 40.

Meg Ryan, Holly Hunter, Charlotte Rampling, Sharon Stone and Whoopi Goldberg are among a group of 30 actresses who have taken part in a documentary by Rosanna Arquette to be screened in Britain this summer.

The documentary is seen as a thinly veiled attack on moguls such as Harvey Weinstein - the portly co-owner of Miramax - who control the film industry and the careers of Hollywood actresses.

Arquette, 44, who rose to fame when she starred opposite Madonna in the 1985 film Desperately Seeking Susan, said that her interest in what happened to 40-year-old women in Hollywood was sparked by the experience of

Debra Winger, the star of Terms of Endearment, who announced that she was quitting in 1996 aged 40. "Ageing," Arquette said this week, "equals career death."

In the documentary, called Searching For Debra Winger, Winger, who has been nominated for three Oscars, tells how she decided to quit and reveals that while she was working on An Officer And a Gentlemen the notorious producer Don Simpson told her that she needed diet pills.

Julianna Margulies, 37, who starred in ER opposite George Clooney, speaks frankly about the rigours of the casting couch. "You ask anyone that has been in those [audition] meetings. They say, 'Yeah that actress is great but would you f*** her?' And they ask all the men in the room."

The documentary will provoke heated debate in Hollywood, which has long been accused of discriminating against women for their age and beauty. Arquette told London's Sunday Telegraph that she had already received criticism from film bosses. "There are a lot of misogynistic men who are very angry about it," she said. "They've told me, 'It's just a bunch of chicks sitting around bitching about us'."

In the film, Daryl Hannah, 43, says that the root of the problem lies "with the guys who run the studios. They choose projects that they identify with and they say, 'I'd like to be that man having an affair with a chick of 18'."

Samantha Mathis, 33, agrees. "It's the revenge of the nerds syndrome, all these guys couldn't get a girlfriend in high school. They are smart but they have no social skills; suddenly they are running studios in a position of power."

Arquette's subjects are candid and often angry about the way the industry has spat them out once they have aged. Martha Plimpton, 33, says: "For women it's either, she's a starlet or she's an old hag." Whoopi Goldberg adds that film producers "want you to think that you're done" once actresses had turned 40.

Arquette, who is currently filming another documentary about musicians, continues to act and has recently been filming two comedies with the British actresses Imogen Stubbs and Jennifer Saunders.

She says that certain elements of Hollywood have always annoyed her. "I find it offensive that in Hollywood a 68-year-old movie star is paired with a 30-year-old, or someone even younger. You think, 'Come on, who are you kidding'. It is offensive."

Other interviewees said that they had financial problems when the parts dried up. Theresa Russell, 46, says: "It was really hard, I didn't get an audition for years and I started running out of money. I thought, what else can I do? I resent being in this situation. They want to put you out to pasture."

In any other profession, she says, "your work would get better the older you got". Holly Hunter, 45, who won an Oscar for The Piano, believes actresses are at their peak at 40. "The deal is that actresses who are good have probably never been better once they hit 40. Once I hit 40 I had charms that I didn't have when I was 30 and I want to use them."

Teri Garr, 53, who has appeared in more than 50 films, including Tootsie, insists that films should reflect the existence of older women in real life. "There are people who are my age and older who still exist in the world, so there should be writers who write stories that include them. There should be parts for us, even if they are smaller."

She adds: "I remember when I was young the great actresses telling me, 'Wait till they tell you your face has been ravaged by time'."

Diane Lane, 39, dislikes the vocabulary used to describe older women's looks. "If you want to live you must age. Beauty has to be a certain way [in Hollywood]." If you age, she says, "it is described as 'damaged beauty' or 'sad beauty' or 'aged beauty'." She adds: "Character actresses will always work freely because they are not coming from the immaculate time when one looked perfect." Adrienne Shelley, 38, the star of The Unbelievable Truth, tells of how much sex plays a part of being a Hollywood actress. She says: "I get a call in my car on the way to an audition from the agent. He said, 'What is really important is that they think you are f***able'.

"The man walks in and looks right at my tits and I saw in his face that there was no way I was going to get the part. And yet in the real world there is no way I would give this guy the time of day."

Lane urges women to make more of an issue of the problem. "When women don't want to talk about these issues it is so awful," she says. "Hiding away just perpetuates the problem.

"Women want to watch other women of their own age sometimes. All these young people are great but let them watch each other. We want to watch us."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: actress; aging; castingcouch; hollyweird; hollywood
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To: RobRoy
The French have a rule of thumb for the appropriate man/woman age difference in a relationship: divide the man's age by 2 and add 7 to get the optimal woman's age.

I missed the target age by a year but still have 9 years on my wife. 12 years later, I couldn't imagine being together with someone my own age. She'll always look young and sexy to me.

321 posted on 01/19/2004 8:49:20 AM PST by Snerfling
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To: painter
As for as Katheren Bates,she doesn't seem to be hurting for work work either.By the way,she may be on the heavy side I think her attutude,smile,and the twinkle in her eyes makes her sexy.

Have you seen "About Schmidt"?

322 posted on 01/19/2004 8:50:42 AM PST by wizardoz ("Crikey! I've lost my mojo!")
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To: Sub-Driver
Perhaps they can have a joint "cry-in" with some of the former NFL and NBA stars whose knees are shot.
323 posted on 01/19/2004 8:53:50 AM PST by reg45
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To: Mr Rogers
But the normal target audience is the 18-30 male: guys who define good beer as 'free' and good wine as one with a convenient screw top.

Heh heh heh.... yeah.... that's a pretty succinct description.

324 posted on 01/19/2004 8:54:14 AM PST by wizardoz ("Crikey! I've lost my mojo!")
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To: WIladyconservative
I agree 100%. As I posted earlier, Meg Ryan should buy one less condo in Aspen and use the $5 million to finance an independent film. Or she should produce a play in Los Angeles, which would be cheap to do. What these actresses want are big, high-paying parts in major studio movies. Well, big studios make big movies to make big money. If the the fortysomething women pulled in big audiences, the studios would make more movies with them in them. Whining because Paramount doesn't make movies with older women as starts is akin to a major league baseball player's complaining that the Yankees won't hire him now that he's over fifty. These women need to grow up.
325 posted on 01/19/2004 8:56:01 AM PST by utahagen
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To: RobRoy
I suddenly found myself single at 43. I got together with a couple of "twenty something's" and found the same problem. They were kids, pure and simple. I cannot have a "spousal" relationship with a kid.

Boy if that ain't the truth. Going to bed with a 24 year old is one thing. Going to a party with 'em is another. Ugh.

Regarding the aging of men and women: When men get older, they look like Sean Connery. When women get older, they look like Sean Connery.

OH! Man! Harsh! ... but... well.... that pretty much sums it up, dudn't it?

326 posted on 01/19/2004 8:57:25 AM PST by wizardoz ("Crikey! I've lost my mojo!")
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To: TexasNative2000
Yeah, no good roles for actresses over 40.

That's true if your looking for those roles as slutty, brainless, sex-pots. You will get trumped by the twenty-somethings every time.

327 posted on 01/19/2004 8:58:13 AM PST by reg45
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To: painter
I too have always like older women. Being the youngest in my family I had crushes on my much older brothers' girlfriends. Now that I'm 48 I still like older women, as long as they're older than 45
328 posted on 01/19/2004 8:58:29 AM PST by jaugust (Old Curmudgeon)
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To: Snerfling
The French have a rule of thumb for the appropriate man/woman age difference in a relationship: divide the man's age by 2 and add 7 to get the optimal woman's age.

Yeah, that's what the Nation of Islam says too, if I remember correctly.

329 posted on 01/19/2004 8:59:46 AM PST by wizardoz ("Crikey! I've lost my mojo!")
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To: Woahhs
My husband believes young pretty women are a dime a dozen, but really attractive older women are a treasure to behold. It's easy maintenance when you're young, but after 4, 5 or 6 decades, you have to give credit where credit is due. We see prettier women at our local malls then some of these "stars" will ever be.
330 posted on 01/19/2004 9:03:43 AM PST by MamaDearest (Make the CEO's who outsource move to their "favored" outsourcing destination)
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To: Woahhs
I'll never run out of blur - it's so much cheaper and safer than plastic surgery.
331 posted on 01/19/2004 9:04:56 AM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: Godebert
Wasn't she in one of first season episodes of the original Star Trek? It was the one where Spock and Kirk went back in time to a Saturn launch. I think James Coburn (Cross of Iron) was in that same episode.

I don't think it was the first season and the actor was Robert Lansing.
"Star Trek" (1966) playing "Gary Seven" in episode: "Assignment: Earth" (episode # 2.26) 29 March 1968

Teri Garr: "Star Trek" (1966) playing "Roberta Lincoln" (as Terri Garr) in episode: "Assignment: Earth" (episode # 2.26) 29 March 1968

By the way IMDB lists her birth date as 11-Dec-1949.

332 posted on 01/19/2004 9:15:10 AM PST by reg45
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To: Mr Rogers
Men remain 'sexy' longer than women.

It's simple. Men remain fertile longer than women.

333 posted on 01/19/2004 9:15:16 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
>>People over 40 have almost all the money.<<

And we don't waste it on movies...
334 posted on 01/19/2004 9:15:52 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: Sub-Driver
In the documentary, called Searching For Debra Winger, Winger, who has been nominated for three Oscars, tells how she decided to quit and reveals that while she was working on An Officer And a Gentlemen the notorious producer Don Simpson told her that she needed diet pills.

This is boggling. Debra Winger was beautiful *and* slim in that movie.

335 posted on 01/19/2004 9:16:40 AM PST by k2blader (¡Vote Bush, Amexicanos y Amexicanas!)
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To: Sub-Driver
And all Lib's.....maybe they should consider switching party's?

I was thinking the same thing. Wonder why the voted for Slick?

336 posted on 01/19/2004 9:19:06 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
And you don't see Bo Derek or Susan Lucci whining.
337 posted on 01/19/2004 9:20:16 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: reg45
I was in seventh grade when that episode came out. I had the serious hots for Terri before I even knew what to do about it. The funny thing is that the thing that attracted me to her was her eyes. Now I'm almost 50 and it's my wifes eyes that do it for me. They are the window to the soul.

And the nice package is an added bonus.
338 posted on 01/19/2004 9:21:25 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: Oberon
Also, most of the things about men that women find attractive - money, power, confidence, only increase with time. But the seemingly most important things that attract men to women, usually described via some sort of comparison to large fruit, only decline with age.

We are all given different tools at different times to get what we want. Looks can get you some years, but the prudent actress prepares for the future as a laborer prepares for the day that he simply can no longer lift the loads that, as a young man he was paid to lift.

Looks fade. If you build your career on them and you don't develop some other marketable trait, you will find the future somewhat difficult.
339 posted on 01/19/2004 9:28:10 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: wizardoz
Have you seen "About Schmidt"?

Damn, just when I had totally erased that image from my brain, you had to bring it back up.

340 posted on 01/19/2004 9:30:27 AM PST by dfwgator
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