The false dilemma behind the Bush Amnesty

January 17th, 2004 | Sabertooth

[moehoward]

Are you saying that Illegals would still come at high numbers if the Employee Verification system was mandatory? Even if they knew the only available work would be found hanging out in HomeDepots parking lot?

[moehoward]

Certainly is. Over 80% are unemployed but still thousands more come across every night looking for apparently nonexistent work.

[Amerigomag]

I have a number of proposals in addition to deportations to encourage Illegals to self-deport in the "Eighteen Illegal Aliens Solutions" link in the essay at the top of this thread.

In fact, forced deportation is the least among them.

The most effective is restoring the original intent of the 14th Amendment.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I was was quite proud of the President following 9/11, and am pleased overall with his prosecution of the war. However, the President's domestic agenda leaves me cold, for the most part. I want nothing to do with most of it, I think it's bad for the country.

I couldn't agree with you more.

I too want no part of this, and I will refuse to be an accomplice to it.

[Marine Inspector]

Are you saying that Illegals would still come at high numbers if the Employee Verification system was mandatory? Even if they knew the only available work would be found hanging out in HomeDepots parking lot?

Yes I am.

Verification is currently mandatory, has it curtailed illegal immigration?

Marine Inspector

[Joe Hadenuf]

California has at least 30 cities which have become third world ghettos....Too many freepers are unaware of what is happening in the western states.

Most outside the southwest are now starting to understand as their own communities are being invaded by thousands..

This invasion has gone far beyond the borders of Texas, Cal, and Arizona. Places like North and South Carolina, Gerogia, Vegas, Denver, Chicago, Indianapolis Indiana, Florida, Tennessee, Washington state, etc etc etc.

Check this out.

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15 States License Illegals To Drive

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 | By Jon Dougherty

Amid the outrage over California Gov. Gray Davis' decision to sign legislation allowing illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses comes the stunning revelation by immigration experts that the Golden State is neither unique nor alone: 14 other states also allow illegal aliens to drive legally on their highways.

These states include, Alaska, Connecticut, Idaho, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Utah, Washington and West Virginia

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And this. There are hundreds of more articles, from coast to coast.

Hispanics Largest Growing Population In Idaho

Puts more pressure on public schools, must change

By Associated Press BOISE -

Idaho's Hispanic population grew three times faster than the state as a whole in the first two years after the last census.

Leaders of the state's largest minority say that puts more pressure on public schools.

According to new estimates from the Census Bureau, the state grew at three-point-two percent overall from mid-2000 to mid-2002, with the Hispanic population jumping ten-point-six percent. Only 13 other states saw higher percentage growth in their Hispanic groups.

Gladys Esquibel, who heads the state Commission on Hispanic Affairs, says schools must change to address the needs of Hispanic students in Idaho.

The results from the state standards achievement tests show that more than half of Hispanic high school sophomores failed.

[international american]

Believe it or not, I learned about the invasion of other states by you , Sabertooth and others here at Free Republic.
I know the south had been invaded from my friends, but I didn't know about Colo,Idaho, Montana Utah etc.

[txdoda]

Verification is currently mandatory, has it curtailed illegal immigration? >>>>>>>>>

Are you sure ??? Here's the link that I saw, it says the 'verification' is VOLUNTARY.

If this is so, it sure makes me believe that NO ONE in DC is serious about cracking down on iilegal workers, illegal employers, and ID theft.




http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1025355/posts

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As of today, the job of trying to figure out if the ID shown by a new employee is a counterfeit or not is just daunting. That is sometimes a legitimate excuse and sometimes a smokescreen for why so many businesses have illegal aliens working for them. But with the new system, businesses merely have to phone or type through the name, Social Security number or alien ID (for legal alien workers) of the person just hired. The feds then report back within a few days if there is something that doesn't match. This catches invented SS numbers, mismatches between SS number and name, etc. If the new employee can't clear up the discepancy, he/she is to be fired.

But the program is voluntary. The rotten, exploitative, unpatriotic businesses will still tend to keep the illegals or just not participate in the verification system. But polls show -- and our experience indicates -- that most business owners and managers don't really want to hire illegals, especially if they think their competitors aren't hiring them.

[Zipporah]

Harmless? Nonsense you say? Consider under the act, the power the FBI now has of search and surveillance. The undefined (infinite) detention of both aliens and citizens without any formal charges (not required), the principles of free speech and due process, no access to council. Possibly you have failed to read Supreme Court case

Possibly you have not considered Bush signing the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004 which grants the FBI power to obtain records from banking institutions, without a court order nor does it need one to prove a case. This law also includes the following in definition of 'financial institutions':companies, travel agencies, real estate agents, stockbrokers, the U.S. Postal Service and even jewelry stores, casinos and car dealerships.

Thus, you stating that there is no need for concern is complete and utter disregard for the facts.

[browardchad]

Bush is saying people can come here and stay legally iff they can show that they have an employer who's willing to go on record as hiring them. But employers who intend to skirt labor laws aren't going to do so with an employee of record.

I know what you're trying to say, but, with regard to current illegal aliens, you have your tenses wrong. Bush is saying that people who have come here illegally can stay legally if they can show they have been working here illegally.

BTW, the Ms. Spellings who is identified as a spokesperson for the Bush administration in the Cato Institute video referenced above admitted they "have no idea" of how many current illegals are currently employed. They also do not have an accurate count on how many illegals are in the country, so how can the success of this registration plan be quantified? Will the plan will be declared a success when an unknown percentage of the unknown number registers?

Having made the first option available may make it politically much easier to deport people of the second group.

Unfortunately, there has been no mention, in any spoken or written material from the administration or its spokespersons, of any form of punishment/deportation for those who do not register under this plan. It is apparently not politically correct to discuss what they would do illegals who refuse to register if this plan went into affect, but, again, if there is an unknown number, then they won't know how many didn't register.

This plan really does get pretty inedible when you look under the political whipped cream topping...

[Zipporah]

It is a bunch of Bravo Sierra!.. oh really? The only "invasion" in Idaho is the white supremacists up North and Keep you ignorance and bigotry to yourselves where they belong. These statements are enlightening.

[Ciexyz]

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[Southack]

"Harmless? Nonsense you say? Consider under the act, the power the FBI now has of search and surveillance. The undefined (infinite) detention of both aliens and citizens without any formal charges (not required), the principles of free speech and due process, no access to council. Possibly you have failed to read Supreme Court case"

That's correct. Contrary to the uninformed bluster of uneducated radio talk show hosts, the Patriot Act is harmless. I've read it.

You are welcome to point to a *single* sentence in that entire law that somehow harms your rights, and I'll willingly read it and consider it, but you won't.

And the reason that you won't identify such a single harmful sentence in the Patriot Act legal code itself is because there is noting in it that harms our rights.

I know. I've read it. On the other hand, I'm willing to bet that every single person who lambasts the Patriot Act hasn't actually read it.

Because the entire law is harmless. It is a paper tiger. The uproar about it is all sound and fury, signifying nothing.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I recently moved from Idaho and have a current view of this so called "invasion". It is a bunch of Bravo Sierra!

You seem to be a fast runner, from the facts.

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For Immediate Release: September 4, 2003 Mike Tracy (208) 342-7985 Will Hart (202) 224-8078

Idaho Receives over $600,000 for Incarceration of Criminal Illegal Aliens

Washington, DC – Idaho Senator Larry Craig announced today that Idaho would receive over $600,000 under the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP) in order to assist counties and the state to cover costs related to incarcerating criminal illegal aliens held as a result of state or local convictions.

“These dollars are coming to Idaho as a result of the 2003 Appropriations to the US Department of Justice,” Craig said. “Based on briefings from local authorities in Idaho, these funds are desperately needed to handle the increased numbers of criminal illegals filling our jail cells.”

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15 States License Illegals To Drive

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 | By Jon Dougherty

Amid the outrage over California Gov. Gray Davis' decision to sign legislation allowing illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses comes the stunning revelation by immigration experts that the Golden State is neither unique nor alone: 14 other states also allow illegal aliens to drive legally on their highways.

These states include, Alaska, Connecticut, Idaho, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Utah, Washington and West Virginia

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Hispanics Largest Growing Population In Idaho Puts more pressure on public schools, must change

By Associated Press BOISE -

Idaho's Hispanic population grew three times faster than the state as a whole in the first two years after the last census.

Leaders of the state's largest minority say that puts more pressure on public schools.

According to new estimates from the Census Bureau, the state grew at three-point-two percent overall from mid-2000 to mid-2002, with the Hispanic population jumping ten-point-six percent. Only 13 other states saw higher percentage growth in their Hispanic groups.

Gladys Esquibel, who heads the state Commission on Hispanic Affairs, says schools must change to address the needs of Hispanic students in Idaho.

The results from the state standards achievement tests show that more than half of Hispanic high school sophomores failed.

Keep you ignorance and bigotry to yourselves where they belong.

Suggesting international american is a bigot is not funny. Quit running from the facts, as they will be waiting for you to arrive.

[international american]

I havent been in Idaho in 40 years...pick a fight with somebody else, professor:)

[international american]

Well, we can add psycho freep to the flake list:)

[international american]

"Keep you ignorance and bigotry to yourselves where they belong."

Get it right....I am a racist...a sexist....and a homophobe!!

[dcwusmc]

But the whole idea is (or SHOULD BE) to GET THE ILLEGALS OUT OF THE COUNTRY. That is their crime: Sneaking in the back door. So why should we reward that IN ANY WAY by punishment short of deportation and refusal to ever readmit? By deporting them and taking the biometric identifiers to KEEP them out, we tell them that their behavior was wrong and we will not put up with it. This is the ONLY fair way to do it, else the LEGAL IMMIGRANTS are being b*tch-slapped by FedGov.