[Looking for Diogenes]

If believing in the right of a propety owner and the right of free assembly and association is offensive to some people, all I can say is that it is their problem not mine.

Do you believe in absolute property rights? Do you think zoning is unconstitutional? If you're next door neighbor decided to turn her home into a rendering plant would you just hold your nose and shrug? I think not.

We live in a civilized world. Property rights are not absolute. There are plenty of things that you cannot do in your house and while you may want to your neightbors are glad you don't.

What does freedom of association have to do with smoking?

[Gabz]

This has nothing to do with zoning ordinances, so your red herring is nothing more than that.

What does freedom of association have to do with smoking?

I said free assembly and association, different from your parsing of my words.

However, smoking bans deny the right of like minded people to assemble together with the permission and possible participation of the owner in the partaking of a legal activity.

Cigar bars are a perfect example. They are now illegal under most smoking bans. Lounges in tobacco shops are also illegal under many of these smoking bans, including the one in Delaware. That is a denial of free assembly.

[CSM]

"Do you believe in absolute property rights? Do you think zoning is unconstitutional? If you're next door neighbor decided to turn her home into a rendering plant would you just hold your nose and shrug? I think not."

OK, I'll bite. Yes, I do believe in absolute property rights. However, the example you used shows a clear violation of another persons property. The rights of the property owner end when someone else's property rights are trampled.

So how does smoking on a persons property infringe upon someone elses property rights? The only way a gnatzie such as yourself is affected, is when you enter the establishment. Don't you enter by your own free will upon invitation? (hint: The "open" for business sign on the door is an invitation!)