(Smoking) Ban puts bars in the red

The Greeley Tribune (Greeley, Colorado) ^ | 1/12/04 | Phillip Yates

[Gabz]

"Rights come from God- not human beings" Alan Keyes 1996

And in this case human beings have taken away the God given rights of a private business owner to determine how he will conduct his business.

[Looking for Diogenes]

This is terrible! People are smoking less - now they're drinking less too! Next we'll be hearing reports that brothels and casinoes are losing money. This country's going to hell.

Or maybe it's the other direction....

[Protagoras]

Are you proposing to criminalize smoking, drinking and gambling on the federal level?

[ItsOurTimeNow]

I hope you don't breathe the air in or around any populated city, or ever get stuck in traffic behind a diesel truck.

There are more carcinogens in the very air that you breathe than in a cigarette.

[Looking for Diogenes]

No. Where'd you get that from?

[Protagoras]

No. Where'd you get that from?

The answer is no, so it's irrelevant why I asked the question.

[Protagoras]

No. Where'd you get that from?

The answer is no, so it's irrelevant why I asked the question.

[Looking for Diogenes]

My turn. Would you be happier if the revenue of bars, casinoes, brothels, and cigarette companies was increasing instead of decreasing?

[RandallFlagg]

I've had it with these losers. I've just had it.

I'm just going to have to research even harder on who gets my votes. Think up some trick questions to ask the candidates when I call them (And I call every one of the local and state folks who run).

GASP is dangerous. I wonder if we could dig up some dirt on these nosy bums. Anyone who excels in business destruction reeks too much of socialism to be concerned about "Health of the public."

Any ideas, my fellow Colorado FReepers?

[douglas1]

GOD sees people like you, and he knows the wrath you would bestow on others, YOU SHOULD REALLY GO TO CHURCH AND REPENT.

[Chewbacca]

If you can't smoke indoors, then some enterprising business person should create the open air bar.

All sides of the bar are open to the elements so all the smoke laden and gas fumes from cars can waft over the customers. That way the smoking customers can consume their alcoholic beverage out on the street in the open air like in Europe for all to see.

[Protagoras]

Would you be happier if the revenue of bars, casinoes, brothels, and cigarette companies was increasing instead of decreasing?

My happiness is not dependent on the non rights violating behaviors of others.

[Looking for Diogenes]

My happiness is not dependent on the non rights violating behaviors of others.

Wow, that's a complicated sentence. So it sounds like you believe the government should stay out of all moral or health issues.

In the old days conservatives used to think that public drunkeness, prostitution, gambling and smoking were vices. Not anymore apparently. Party on!

[Protagoras]

So it sounds like you believe the government should stay out of all moral or health issues.

Nice try.

I believe that the government's only legitimate function in a free society is to defend the rights of it's citizens.

In the old days conservatives used to think that public drunkeness, prostitution, gambling and smoking were vices.

No one has suggested that these things are not vices, except your inane insinuation that I have. Further, I have not claimed to be a conservative at any time. If you can define it for me, which no one around here has been able to agree on thus far, I'll let you know if I am one.

Not anymore apparently. Party on!

In the mean time, this personal attack has ended this conversation. You may take the your last cheap shot now.

[Ditter]

There ARE scores & scores of nonsmokers out there who have NEVER gone to bars because of the smoke. Over the years they have formed habits of drinking in non smoking restaurants or at home or friends houses. Habits are hard to break, even the habit of NOT going someplace. Habits don't change over night, maybe the habit of NOT going to bars is just too hard to break.

[bc2]

Upstate New York *PING*

[ItsOurTimeNow]

I'm sure there are.

However, I was referring to the Anti-Smoking Nazi's who wrote all the Op/Ed pieces, called all radio talk shows, populated all the message boards on how disgusting it was, and how happy they'd be once they could dine smoke free.

Well, they got their wish...now where are they?

They did a great job "talking the talk", but aren't "walking the walk".

[Ditter]

Dining? I thought we were talking about drinking? Bars closing up is the subject here.

[Great Dane]

Bad for business, I am not surprised, we have had a smoking ban for 2 1/2 years, business has never bounced back, we are waiting for a province wide ban, breweries has already warned the government of a fight in court, should the province proceed.

[Great Dane]

#14... Lots of things destroy's gods temple........ where would you like to start.