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To: exmarine
Can you show me the law where it says a State that joined the Union voluntarily cannot also leave voluntarily?

The father of the Constitution called unilateral secession a "violation of a faith solemnly pledged." The commander of the Army of Northern Virginia called it "nonsense", and a insult to the memory of the Framers.

I can't understand the need for the Lost Cause cult to attempt to wrap a transparent legal fig leaf around what was nothing but Revolution. If the damnyankees were as evil and oppressive as your mythology insists, rebellion would be a perfectly honorable and moral action. You just have to show us how the damnyankees were oppressing the people of the south.

154 posted on 01/15/2004 2:35:25 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Ditto
The father of the Constitution called unilateral secession a "violation of a faith solemnly pledged." The commander of the Army of Northern Virginia called it "nonsense", and a insult to the memory of the Framers.

Really? You mean Madison? I would like to see the full text because I have just read the "Christian History of the Constitution" by Verna M. Hall, a compilation of many writings from that period, and in all I read, union is always voluntary - it's part and parcel of the judeo-Christian worldview, a worldview held by 95% of the founding fathers. The Constitution gives no authority to the Federal govt to enforce union. Unless you have a "legal" argument, you don't have a leg to stand on. And by legal, I mean a Constitutional one. Good luck.

156 posted on 01/15/2004 2:48:06 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Ditto
I can't understand the need for the Lost Cause cult to attempt to wrap a transparent legal fig leaf around what was nothing but Revolution. If the damnyankees were as evil and oppressive as your mythology insists, rebellion would be a perfectly honorable and moral action. You just have to show us how the damnyankees were oppressing the people of the south.

Both sides committed evils. The north was not this benevolent freer of the slaves my friend. The north certainly didn't want the freed slaves to come up there, did they? Both sides had good men, both sides had evil men. Lee and Jackson were Christian men (Jackson taught sunday school to slave children). The radical Republicans extended the Civil War by 12 years out of their EVIL HATRED of southerners...men like Thaddeus Stevens...so much for "malice toward none and charity towards all."

157 posted on 01/15/2004 2:51:56 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Ditto
Can you show me where they tried Davis and found him guilty of treason? Or anyone else? They kept him locked up illegally. Where was the due process? They didn't try him perhaps because they didn't have a legal leg to stand on!
160 posted on 01/15/2004 3:09:02 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Ditto
I can't understand the need for the Lost Cause cult to attempt to wrap a transparent legal fig leaf around what was nothing but Revolution.

By the way, I am neither pro-south or pro-north. I believe slavery was wrong, but I also believe that God's judgment rained down on the entire nation for national sins not just southern ones. Look what many northerners did to the native americans - did they treat them with the humanity that they demanded the south treat the slaves? Nope. Wasn't it Sheridan who said, "the only good indian is a dead indian"? Then there was the Trail of Tears, etc. etc. Some of the northern generals were just vile - Pope (called the "miscreant Pope" by Lee), Spoons Butler, "Kill Calvary Kilpatrick" - a bloodthirsty rogue; the list goes on. I must admit that, at times when I read Civil War narratives, I find myself rooting for the south.

163 posted on 01/15/2004 3:16:20 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Ditto
amnd you should show all your readers why you don't belong on DU, where ignorant, arrogant, self-righteous FOOLS dwell.

why not head back over there?? the DU crew will REALLY like you.

FReepers, otoh, are too smart to fall for your stupid lies & ranting.

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256 posted on 01/16/2004 9:55:42 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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