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To: NYFriend
Yes, the Kiberty was flying the American flag and the fighter pilot said so on the radio.

The panel, which was open to the public, became raucous at times when survivors of the Liberty attack and a relative of a sailor killed in the incident yelled out to protest that the panel included two people who represented Israel's position, while survivors were not invited to participate.

Don't allow survivors to participate and you can get any report you want.

Scan the whole page for good reading!
Conservative Debate Handbook

7 posted on 01/13/2004 6:44:36 AM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: B4Ranch
Thanx for the link. I'll have to read it all when I have some more time.
37 posted on 01/13/2004 9:22:42 AM PST by philman_36
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To: B4Ranch; veronica
Yes, the Liberty was flying the American flag and the fighter pilot said so on the radio.

Don't allow survivors to participate and you can get any report you want.

Not allowing the survivors to participate???WTFIT? These are precisely the people you want to have take part. They were THERE.

Also: Fighters from a nearby US carrier were scrambled to the Liberty's aid, but before they got there, they were recalled on f***ing Macnamara's orders.

I don't believe for one nanosecond that the Israeli pilots didn't know it was an American ship. The air and sea attack lasted quite some time, 75min in fact. Those who managed to get into life rafts, were then strafed by Israeli gun boats.

The Israelis claim there was no pre-attack reconnaissance, but in fact about an hour before the attack, a LOW flying IDF reconnaissance aircraft was seen circling the Liberty.

For pic see http://www.ussliberty.org/00/0044.htm

They could plainly see it was American boys there on deck.

Caveat: this is rumoured at in the book "Assault on the USS Liberty":

One reason for the attack MAY have been to cover up the killing of some few hundred Egyptian POWs in the Sinai. They feared the Americans on the Liberty would get wind of this. Again, I emphasize that this is conjecture from the book.

Now veronica, you use the term "usual suspects" referring to those who believe the attack was deliberate. So then the former JCS Chairman Admiral Thomas Moorer and Secretary of State Dean Rusk fall into this category.

I am a firm supporter of Israel and think it is the most free country in the Middle East and that Israel is the victim, definitely not the aggressor in the conflict.

But on the Liberty issue, I gotta call it as I see it.

Shalom.

40 posted on 01/13/2004 10:03:55 AM PST by americanSoul (Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees. Live Free or Die. I should be in New Hampshire.)
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To: B4Ranch; davisfh; Citizen Tom Paine; veronica
See #40 for link to recon photo, and some more info/conjecture.

BTW, there were some Jewish American heroes serving on the USS Liberty.

Why the recall of the US fighters? One poster mentioned it was because they had nukes. Come on, as if this is all they were armed with? What about cannon?

And veronica, this "usual suspects" refrain is not a rational argument. Those of us who believe it was deliberate, are mostly trying real hard to be objective.

44 posted on 01/13/2004 10:25:45 AM PST by americanSoul (Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees. Live Free or Die. I should be in New Hampshire.)
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To: B4Ranch

HOW THE HELL would someone on board the ship — a surivivor — know what Isael’s INTENTIONS were in undertaking the attack?

This is the stupidest thing imaginable.

THe only way you could know WHY Israel’s jets attacked would be review evidence INSIDE Israel’s headquarters, intercepted radio traffic, and diplomatic cables with the USA.

From their perspective on board the ship, THEY COULD NOT POSSIBLY KNOW ANYTHING about Israels INTENTIONS.

What they COULD figure out is why the radio operator on the ship FAILED, LIED, and COVERED UP for his failure.

THE SURVIVORS SHOULD HAVE BEEN COURT-MARTIALED FOR DISOBEYING ORDERS, not coddled or treated like anything special.

The survivors are anti-American traitors who are intentionally tearing down the United States and the USA’s strategic relationships, RATHER THAN ADMIT THEIR OWN DERELICTION OF DUTY IN DISOBEYING ORDERS TO WITHDRAW FROM TEH REGION.


77 posted on 06/16/2007 6:47:40 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.ColdPeace.com)
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