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US generals, admiral come out of the closet - flag fag officers
theage.com.au via g2mil.com ^ | December 11, 2003 | John Files

Posted on 01/11/2004 1:30:21 PM PST by Destro

US generals, admiral come out of the closet - flag fag officers

By John Files

Washington

December 11, 2003

Alan Steinman, Keith Kerr, and Virgil Richard. Picture: New York Times

Three retired US military officers - two generals and an admiral - who had been among the most senior officers to criticise the "don't ask, don't tell" policy for homosexuals in the military, have revealed that they are gay.

The three - army Brigadier-Generals Keith Kerr and Virgil Richard, and Rear-Admiral Alan Steinman of the Coast Guard - said the policy had been ineffective and undermined the military's core values - truth, honour, dignity, respect and integrity.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dontaskdonttell; ewwwwwthanks4sharing; gays; homosexualagenda; longmarch; prisoners
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To: IrishRainy; little jeremiah; Godebert; Lucky Dog; steplock; Rummyfan; GladesGuru; Kevin Curry; ...
Each of you who has answered the spurious arguments of Chief Inspector has been vindicated in a way of which you may not be aware. So I'm going to tell you.

Chief Inspector is the latest incarnation of a poster who was banned here back when she used the posting name of jengaio. While she was jengaio, she announced to the forum that she is a homosexual woman. This emphatically did NOT get her banned. But, as jengaio, she broke the rules of FR by posting a thread/article entitled, according to what others told me, something like, "Are There Any Gay Freepers?" At that point jengaio was banned. She continued, however, to re-register on FR, and still does, to this day.

She has had numerous posting names. This list is by no means comprehensive: she has posted here under the names Gina Joe, Martyn Tarne, just vincent, stdiego, EllisV, editer, Williewonta, Aussie Cattledog, Yesenia, The Boston Stranger, Wheat, tapu, hsimon, calcetines, cafecito, Cotter Pin... and on and on. Now she goes by Chief Inspector.

I have no doubt that she also has other FR posting names which are currently active.

She divides her time btw coming on FR to disrupt, and going to the FR-bashing site, where she uses the name tapu, to bash FR.

She also enjoys making defamatory statements about other posters.

She has represented herself on FR, either on this thread, or on another recent thread, as being "not even gay". This is a contradiction to her continual internet statements that she IS gay. This will serve to inform you of the honesty/dishonesty level of "Chief Inspector". It's hard to debate with a person who will not be honest. So if you find yourself spinning your wheels, it's not b/c of anything lacking in you, it's because she doesn't play fair to begin with.

She does a slow burn when she sees persons express opinions which are contrary to the homosexual agenda. She insists that she and her female partner are in every way superior to a random heterosexual couple, on issues from the upbringing of children, to other issues as well. She particularly likes to insinuate that heterosexuals have "dirty minds", and has in fact said before that heterosexuals are perverted, though I am sure that if confronted with that statement, she would say, "I was just joking, can't you understand a joke?"

You see, claiming to have been "just joking" is a standard method she uses in trying to avoid responsibility for statements she is called on.

121 posted on 01/12/2004 8:00:29 AM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: little jeremiah
And by your argument one could also argue that "nature" has created pedophiles, rapists, adulterers, and so on

I'd argue that neuroscience has shown beyond any reasonable doubt that some folks are wired in such a way that they are more likely to commit crimes than others. Studies of criminals have found a large amount of evidence that those who commit crimes are likely to have defects in the way their pre-frontal lobes are wired, thus making them less capable of knowing right from wrong (or feeling empathy for others).

So to answer your question, yes, nature has certainly created the conditions for such criminals to be created, of course there are other factors involved but one can not overlook the fact that brains develop differently and whether or not we want to accept it, we are all controlled by how our brains are created. Some folks are just wired in such a way that they are unable to be empathetic to others, just as some folks are created in such a way that they are succeptable to diseases such as Alzhiemers.

122 posted on 01/12/2004 8:05:40 AM PST by fourhorsemen
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To: little jeremiah
Whoa! Totally awesome post.
123 posted on 01/12/2004 8:34:23 AM PST by tuesday afternoon
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To: leadpenny; Quix
Whatever it is I doubt we'll ever know the truth.

We certainly know it isn't 10% and as Quix said, it's closer to 2% including bisexuals, and this from the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation: Homosexual Advocacy Groups Admit 10% Fallacy

124 posted on 01/12/2004 8:54:15 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: PLMerite
Funny how that is! Your experience mirrors the larger part of my general experiences in knowing, and sometimes working alongside, homosexual people.
125 posted on 01/12/2004 8:57:47 AM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: IrishRainy
There are several studies which suggest a genetic link to homosexuality. See:http://www.neurolinguistic.com/proxima/articoli/art-41.htm

This is an area that both sides of the argument would rather see buried. The gays don't want evidence of genetic links to homosexuality because then it implies that gayness can be "cured". From the religious conservative point of view, the problem with the genetic predisposition argument is that if people are "created" gay, then it means that God must have intended for their to be homosexuality, which isn't something they want to accept.

So, you'll typically see flat out denounciations across the board against any research efforts to find genetic associations with homosexuality. It is always easier to bury your head in the sand and attack the messenger than it is to accept the message. This has been the bane of scientific achievement in this world for the last few thousand years or so.
126 posted on 01/12/2004 9:27:55 AM PST by fourhorsemen
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To: Devil_Anse
thanks, Devil_Anse. Now, out of curiosity, how do you know all this? I'm interested.
127 posted on 01/12/2004 9:30:01 AM PST by Marysecretary (,)
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To: fourhorsemen
I'd argue that nature has created gays. I'd argue that it is a genetic predisposition.

Okay, argue. Provide evidence homosexuality is genetic.

There is absolutely no evidence homosexuality is genetic. In fact, all the studies state the major factor in determining homosexuality is environment. And guess what? Homosexuals can change. Yep, homosexuals can leave the lifestyle which puts a rather large and powerful crimp on your genetics bluff. Because homosexuals can leave the lifestyle it further supports the environment factor.

For a collection of articles on the subject: Homosexuality and Genetics

I've asked numerous freepers to post rebuttals from credible sources to anything found at the above link. Nobody ever does, and they can't, because no rebuttals exist from credible sources.

I've asked numerous freepers to try and discredit the information at the above link, and of course, from credible sources. Nobody tries.

People can only try to denigrate the facts. If you respond at all, you won't respond with anything of substance either.

Feel free to scroll up and down the nearly 500 articles at the above link and get educated on the subject.

128 posted on 01/12/2004 9:32:21 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: leadpenny
Like they say, 10% of the population.

Trying to FORCE the other 90% to accept their behavior.
129 posted on 01/12/2004 9:36:11 AM PST by kcvl
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To: scripter
THANKS MUCH. It's great when their own research is confirming.

Appreciated your kind comment.
130 posted on 01/12/2004 9:36:18 AM PST by Quix (Particularly quite true conspiracies are rarely proven until it's too late to do anything about them)
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To: fourhorsemen
Your source uses Simon Levay as part of his basis for arguing homosexuality is genetic. Are you familiar with what Levay said of his own work?
It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain.
Your source is outdated and wrong.
131 posted on 01/12/2004 9:42:42 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: IrishRainy
You might find post 131 informative in this culture war.
132 posted on 01/12/2004 9:44:21 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Quix
You're very welcome. My profile always has a link to the latest dump of information on the facts of homosexuality.
133 posted on 01/12/2004 9:46:06 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
Ahhhh. That's good to know.

Thanks.
134 posted on 01/12/2004 9:52:33 AM PST by Quix (Particularly quite true conspiracies are rarely proven until it's too late to do anything about them)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Hope you don't mind but your post defintely deserves repeating....

This bone smuggler knew the rules going in. Nobody pointed a gun at his head and forced him to join the military. If he had gone to college and moved into a civilian job, this never would have been a problem. But no, homosexuals always have to be elevated to a martyr role, make a damn nuisance of themselves, and make everybody else's life hell.

135 posted on 01/12/2004 9:54:35 AM PST by apackof2 (I won't be satisfied until I am to smart for my own good)
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To: Devil_Anse; Chief Inspector
" Actually, Godebert, she is gay. Chief Inspector is a woman who used to post on Freerepublic under the name of jengaio. Jengaio, when she first came on the forum, announced to all that she was gay. Since that time, she has posted under many names, some of which are: Martyn Tarne, Gina Joe, just vincent, stdiego, The Boston Stranger, calcetines, cafecito, Wheat, editer, EllisV, Williewonta, hsimon and many others."

I'll be danged. I had her pegged as some mushy moderate soccer mom. Did she invent that story about her husband being a pro-homo naval officer who died of a heart attack at age 47?

136 posted on 01/12/2004 9:56:52 AM PST by Godebert
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To: Devil_Anse
But, as jengaio, she broke the rules of FR by posting a thread/article entitled, according to what others told me, something like, "Are There Any Gay Freepers?"

Sounds like a good way to get something new to talk about over at that other place, doesn't it?

Anyway, looks like you were right about the poster.

137 posted on 01/12/2004 10:06:46 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Godebert
Did she invent that story about her husband being a pro-homo naval officer who died of a heart attack at age 47?

We get lots of people here inventing lots of things.

I don't take ANYONE at their word anymore about anything. The internet is the most fun compulsive liars have ever had. LOL

138 posted on 01/12/2004 10:09:43 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Godebert
LOL, where did she post that?

Many years ago, jengaio was married. She has, according to her, not been with the husband for many, many years--and was only married for a short time. As a young wife, I believe she went with the husband to CA, b/c he was in the service. (I hadn't known he was in the navy; if she says so, it must be so, eh, considering we know how honest she is?)

Her account was that he got sent somewhere else, and they went their separate ways. But she has also said she felt herself to be homosexual in her teen years, so why she married a man, I don't know. You'll find a lot of that with closet homosexuals. They freely move back and forth across the line of how they represent themselves, whenever it is to their advantage.

After having been with her female consort for, she says, something like 12 years, she found out in the last year or so that the husband had died. She worked this for max sympathy, as is her way, then apparently got over it (a difficult struggle, I'm sure). She learned of his death, I believe, from a news article, and yes, I seem to recall that she said it had something to do with a heart attack. I hadn't known he was "pro-homo". She had never spoken of his views. He had apparently been a teacher of hers.

Considering her contemptuous view of heterosexuals and of our life in general, I find it sickeningly hypocritical for her to use this deceased heterosexual man as a way of getting a leg up in an argument about homosexuality. Or perhaps the husband, too, was homosexual? Perhaps it was a marriage of convenience? I doubt it, though. I imagine he was a heterosexual, and hence she is doubly hypocritical for using him as someone to marry, and now using him to gain an artificial advantage in her spurious arguing on here.

139 posted on 01/12/2004 10:13:05 AM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: hellinahandcart
Yup! I trust my instincts, which are also what saved me from giving in to her extortionist attempts to get personal information about me, back when I used to talk casually to her online. Instincts are useful; wonder why SHE so constantly tries to get others to forsake them.
140 posted on 01/12/2004 10:15:24 AM PST by Devil_Anse
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