DUMPING CONSERVATIVES AT THE BORDER

Laura's Weekly E-Blast ^ | 1/8/2004 | LAURA INGRAHAM

[jpsb]

There was no "a little" in Ben Franklin's original quote.

You are not stupid Poohbah, you know what happens to a nation that allows itself to be over run by invading immigrants. History provides numerous examples. England in particular is a good case study, Kosovo is another more recent example.

[kevao]

No, a friend owns the restaurant. I spend a lot of time at his bar, though, and see the health inspector frequently.

[jpsb]

OK, I buy a high tech border partrol. Fine with me, I just don't want an armed border.

[kevao]

I just want a secure border. Armed or unarmed, whatever it takes.

[kevao]

Actually, there is. Check out the Air Force's missions.

Link please. It's just too hard to believe that the National Security Act of 1947 was prescient enough to include a clause covering a terrorist hijacking of a commercial airliner.

[Poohbah]

We don't need one million men on the border. We have technology to compensate. The aggessive use of just 200 drone planes would provide sufficient 24 hour/day recon of the entire Mexican border.

OK.

How do you ARREST those people? The planes can't do that.

[jpsb]

Yup inspaction are a part of life in the bar/restaurant business. There is no reason why NIS can't inspect from time to time either. I don't understand why poohbah, or any one else, opposes resonable solutions. NIS inspecting work places is not an "unreasonable search" like the WOD no knock search. Now that is unreasonable!

[Happy2BMe]

Were we undergoing an invasion by illegal immigrants in 1947?

[Poohbah]

Yup inspaction are a part of life in the bar/restaurant business. There is no reason why NIS can't inspect from time to time either.

Those inspections aren't performed by the federal government. A very big difference.

I don't understand why poohbah, or any one else, opposes resonable solutions. NIS inspecting work places is not an "unreasonable search" like the WOD no knock search. Now that is unreasonable!

Explain in detail how it's not an "unreasonable" search. Even a no-knock warrant has to be sworn out. This doesn't require any sort of probable cause.

[jpsb]

You have not addressed my suggestions. Do what I suggest and you can leave the border open.

However there should be easily passable entry points. Folks avoiding those entry points are most likely up to no good and should be detained.

[Happy2BMe]

"Check out the Air Force's missions."

The Air Force is allowed to enforce border control?

[Poohbah]

Were we undergoing an invasion by illegal immigrants in 1947?

No.

Then again, we had a guest worker program so that it was a great deal easier for workers from Mexico to come here and work legally than to sneak across the border illegally. They could even go home at the end of their job, and come back when a new job was available.

We didn't have a large-scale illegal immigration problem until 1965.

Which just happens to be when the guest worker program was terminated.

I submit that the two events are connected.

[kevao]

Well, when an American Border Patrol plane picks up a group of illegals making their way across the border, they notify the Border Patrol. And guess what, Poohbah. The Border Patrol responds!!! THEY SEND AGENTS TO INTERCEPT THE ILLEGALS!!! AND TO THE VERY LOCATION WHERE THE ILLEGALS WERE SEEN, TOO!!! Amazing concept, isn't it? I guess you would never have thought of that, huh?

Do you intentionally try to bait people, or are you really such a moron?

[Poohbah]

The Air Force is allowed to enforce border control?

If the illegal alien's flying an airplane, yes.

[Poohbah]

Well, when an American Border Patrol plane picks up a group of illegals making their way across the border, they notify the Border Patrol. And guess what, Poohbah. The Border Patrol responds!!! THEY SEND AGENTS TO INTERCEPT THE ILLEGALS!!! AND TO THE VERY LOCATION WHERE THE ILLEGALS WERE SEEN, TOO!!! Amazing concept, isn't it? I guess you would never have thought of that, huh?

Actually, I did.

The question is, what do you do about the other dozen groups of aliens that are crossing the border while your Border Patrol agents are chasing the first group to ground?

[jpsb]

An NIS inspection is no more unreasonable then a health department inspection or an OSA inspection. Both happen all the time. I am not going to spend much time trying to prove a negative. Tell me why an NIS inspection is unresonable, don't ask me to prove it is not.

[Poohbah]

An NIS inspection is no more unreasonable then a health department inspection or an OSA inspection.

The former is legal (just barely), if you ignore the 14th Amendment incorporating the BoR at the state level.

The latter is unconstitutional, except if you are engaged in interstate commerce (REAL interstate commerce, not trumped-up "interstate commerce").

Tell me why an NIS inspection is unresonable, don't ask me to prove it is not.

Please reread the 4th Amendment.

You've just replicated how the Federal government overstepped its boundaries to begin with.

The burden of proof is on the government, not on the citizen.

[kevao]

Actually, there is. Check out the Air Force's missions.

Actually, I did just that. Here is a link to the entire text of the National Security Act of 1947 pertaining to the Air Force:

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/postwwii/nsa47.htm

And now I know what the problem has been around here, Poohbah. You are full of shit, Poohbah.

Where in the text does the Act task the Air Force with intercepting commercial airliners that have been hijacked by terrorists?

[Poohbah]

Gutter language does not contribute to the debate. That's only the establishment clause.

[kevao]

The question is, what do you do about the other dozen groups of aliens that are crossing the border while your Border Patrol agents are chasing the first group to ground?

Ha, ha, ha, ha!!!! Unless you're Poohbah, you don't send all 5,000 of your BP agents to chase down one group of fifty illegals.

I was hoping you were just having fun baiting people. You really must be a moron.