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Bring it on, Cheeseheads!
Philly.com ^ | Jan. 05, 2004 | WILLIAM BUNCH

Posted on 01/08/2004 8:12:25 AM PST by wisconsinconservative

Bring it on, Cheeseheads!

We love Brett, hate the Packers

By WILLIAM BUNCH bunchw@phillynews.com

AP

The always dangerous Brett Favre

LOVE the man. Hate the town.

OK, let's drop the atty-tude for about 10 seconds, and give some props to Green Bay Packers' QB Brett Favre. All of America - yes, even us - loves the spunk of this future Hall of Famer and his Hollywood-ready saga.

It was Favre - in case you've been living in a spider hole outside of Mosul recently - who took the field 24 hours after learning that his mentor father had died of a heart attack, and had the game of his life, launching an improbable playoff drive that seems guided by a higher power.

And so, truth be told, we spent the last week praying that we'd be sitting here last night writing a hater's guide to Dallas (Michael Irvin, Jerry Jones, Lee Harvey Oswald) or Seattle (Microsoft and Starbucks - too easy!) - anybody but Green Bay.

But then we remembered something else from Green Bay, that "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." And in the National Football League, to win on Sunday is to hate.

And so we hate Green Bay.

Vince Lombardi would have wanted it that way.

It's not like it's hard to find reasons.

It's too small

Let's be honest here. Green Bay is the nation's 69th-largest TV market, and we were stunned to learn it was even that large.

Green Bay, Wis., doesn't deserve a professional sports franchise any more than our own beloved neighborhood of Frankford or Pottsville or Pottstown or wherever the heck that place is that Gov. Rendell was trying to get the 1925 NFL title restored when he was supposed to be passing the state budget.

So why do 70,000 cheese-headed folks - 70 percent of the town (don't call it a city - pul-leeez) - show up at Lambeau Field on any given Sunday? Why has pro football succeeded here and failed in places with a few more folks, like, say, Los Angeles?

It's not because

the people are made of

hearty midwestern stock. It's because THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE TO DO THERE!!!

Well, actually, there's one other thing to do in Green Bay - drink. Under the heading of "Entertainment," the Green Bay Press-Gazette's Web site doesn't have "Nightlife" but there's a massive section for "Taverns" - as if there's a difference between the Buck Stop Inn and the creatively named Watering Hole Tavern.

You're certainly better off drinking than eating. The "Restaurant" section lists all nine of Green Bay's Taco Bells under the heading "ethnic."

Splinter-free!

Indeed, there's only one other thing besides football that Green Bay is famous for. We'll give you a hint: It's still manufactured here by the Quilted Northern division of Georgia-Pacific, whose slogan is: "We Make the Things That Make You Feel at Home."

That's a polite way of saying: "We Make Toilet Paper!"

Yes, Green Bay actually bills itself as "the toilet paper capital of the world," although for some reason Green Bay's Web site is called titletown.org and not worldtoiletpapercapital.org.

I guess we should be grateful, since Green Bay claims that Quilted Northern made the first TP that was "splinter free." But then the Packers won't be needing Quilted Northern after they get wiped by the Eagles at the Linc this Sunday.

No Warren Buffets here

There's a sucker born every minute - in Green Bay. Somehow, civic leaders duped citizens into owning the team without reaping any benefits. A total of 4,748,910 shares is owned by 111,507 stockholders - none of whom receives any dividend on the initial investment despite the millions of dollars of TV cash that's pumped into the franchise every year.

And you thought Sun Microsystems was a bad investment!

Reggie, what happened?

But then there's something about wind chills of minus-40 that can make people act a little loopy. Consider all-time NFL sack leader Reggie White, who was beloved during his seven seasons with the Eagles for his ferocity on the field as well as his godliness off field.

Then he goes and signs a $17 million deal with the Packers, and the next you know he's standing before the Wisconsin Legislature blasting gays for comparing their plight to that of blacks and adding: "We allow rampant sin, including homosexuality and lying, and because it has run rampant in our nation, our nation is in the condition it is today."

White was promptly dropped as pitchman for Campbell's - which probably spared him from a career-threatening injury like those suffered by every other Chunky Soup endorser.

Holier than thou

The funny thing is that if White wanted to find "rampant sin," he needed only to look down the row of lockers at the Packers' All-Star tight end, Mark Chmura. The ultra-conservative Chmura refused to go to Bill Clinton's White House with his Super Bowl winning squad in 1997 and said later of the Monica Lewinsky affair: "I look like a genius now. I knew it all along."

But in 2000, Chmura - who was 31 at the time - didn't look like much of a genius when he was charged with raping his family's 17-year-old babysitter in a bathroom at a hot-tub-soaked party after Waukesha Catholic Memorial High School's spring prom.

Chmura was acquitted but conceded his "immature" behavior was "something a married man shouldn't do."

We knew it all along.

Frozen tundra, hah!

Most of the Green Bay football myth is exactly that - myth. Take Lambeau Field's legendary "frozen tundra," a clever turn-of-phrase phrase made famous by - you guessed it - a Philadelphian, legendary NFL Films' voice John Facenda.

It turns out that not only is the playing field at Lambeau not tundra (duh), it's not even frozen! Alleged tough guy Lombardi had electric heating coils installed underneath so players like pretty boy Paul Hornung wouldn't get hurt. And the Packers practice indoors for most of the season.

What a bunch of wimps.

St. Vince

Even Lombardi himself wasn't really all that. Yeah, yeah, five NFL titles, never had a losing season, rest stop on the New Jersey Turnpike. But as you might guess for someone who thought winning was "the only thing," there were times when expediency won out - a cheating scandal when he was assistant coach at Army, and when he welcomed back prodigal son Hornung after the Packers star was suspended in 1963 for betting on Green Bay. (Ask Pete Rose what he thinks of that.)

And he did have losing seasons on the playing field of life, where his total devotion to football caused him to ignore his wife's growing drinking problem and to rarely be there for his kids.

So if you're scared about facing the vaunted "Pack" on Sunday, just remember the biggest loss of Lombardi's coaching career. It came in 1960.

At Franklin Field, in the NFL championship game.

17-13, Eagles.

Godspeed, Brett Favre. And good luck... next year.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: brettfavre; cheeseheads; eagles; frozentundra; greenbaypackers; packers; vincelombardi
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To: Lando Lincoln; John O; Solson; Dog; Tribune7
This Eagles' fan's worst nightmare:
 
1:51 left in the 4th Quarter, Eagles 20 Packers 17.  Brett Favre has just completed a 10 yard pass to draw the Pack to their own 40 pausing before taking the snap from Center Mike Flanagan, he looks skyward, points to the heavens and can be clearly seen mouthing the words "This is for you Dad!"
 
At that point, I turn off the T.V., pour an ice cold Martini and contemplate the roll of football in my life...
 



Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

121 posted on 01/08/2004 12:08:45 PM PST by End Times Sentinel (Fly Eagles Fly, On the Road to Victory! Fly Eagles Fly, Score a Touchdown One Two Three!)
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To: Owl_Eagle
As a Packer fan, here is something that concerns me deeply. Chad Clifton went down with the flu yesterday. Today his back-up, Kevin Barry, is down - also with the flu. It hits those big guys hard.

Lando

122 posted on 01/08/2004 12:09:03 PM PST by Lando Lincoln (The Vermin had vermin)
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To: Freebird Forever
I'm sure most philly fans are just your average street supporting, free mumia types.

Mumia's a Hollywood thing, not a Philly thing. Philadelphians (non-Muslim Philadelphians, that is) have a special kind of hatred for Mumia.

123 posted on 01/08/2004 12:13:45 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Solson
You're right about the LBers of the Pack vs. McNabb.  I like that Nick Barnett kid a ton.  Great pick.  What are your thoughts on Navies and Diggs?
 
It's been said many a times, that we can't miss tackles against Green.  He's just too good at cutting back to not wrap him up as soon as he reaches the second level.  Our LBers are quick and can get to the ball but they're average tacklers (Simoneau and Wayne).  Reese, I like a lot, but he doesn't have the quickness of the other two or Carlos Emmons. 

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

124 posted on 01/08/2004 12:14:24 PM PST by End Times Sentinel (Fly Eagles Fly, On the Road to Victory! Fly Eagles Fly, Score a Touchdown One Two Three!)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Naw, no need to read it again. I just figure the guy's jealous. After all, Lambeau doesn't have a courtroom & holding cells in its basement, Green Bay didn't elect (in a landslide) a mayor who's being bugged by the FBI, and there's not a 45 year wait for season tickets.

Of course, we Green Bay Packers team owners knew that already.

125 posted on 01/08/2004 12:16:13 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Lando Lincoln
No, I am not a Bears fan. I grew up in Wisconsin during the Lombardi years. I drank Wisconsin water into adulthood and I have a green and gold helix in my DNA. I am a Packers fan.

I have to root for the Packers this weekend only since they're playing the Eagles. McNabb's whining over the Rush incident turned me against them. :^)

126 posted on 01/08/2004 12:18:22 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: Owl_Eagle
LOL....under that scenario, it would indeed be a "roll" of something for an Eagles fan. For me, the nightmare is KGB about to sack DMcN, but wait.....McN slips away....he rolls out to the right.....there's nothing but grass between him and the end-zone...... At that point I have a very cold Wisconsin beer - Berghoffs preferred. Good luck for a great game and may there be only spirited sportsmanship in the stands!

Lando

127 posted on 01/08/2004 12:20:08 PM PST by Lando Lincoln (The Vermin had vermin)
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To: wisconsinconservative
Lets see. Little Green Bay has how many NFL championships and big old bad Philly has how many?

Go Pac. I'm a Steeler fan, but have always loved the Packers.

128 posted on 01/08/2004 12:23:01 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore); Dog
"I always liked the Eagles, but this is such a classless rant that I truly hope the Pack beats them this weekend. As someone else said, this should be e-mailed to Green Bay's coaching staff immediately. It's not funny, it's just plain mean. "

I don't know about the coaching staff, but everybody else in town has heard/read this column and are giving it ALL the respect it so richly deserves (zilch). It is not worthy of comment.

Should be a good game Sunday!

129 posted on 01/08/2004 12:23:32 PM PST by MozartLover ( Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.)
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To: Ditto
"Little Green Bay has how many NFL championships and big old bad Philly has how many? "

Shh.....don't confuse the issue with facts.;^)

130 posted on 01/08/2004 12:24:29 PM PST by MozartLover ( Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
Having said that, I hate it that the Bears have been lousy these past years. My co-workers can't believe it when I say it, but I like the Bears. I hope they hire a strong coaching staff.

Yeah, that's why I was asking, I was wondering how the outlook is on that.

Now, the Minnesota Vikings on the other hand......

I hated the Packers so much when Forrest Gregg was there that I was hoping they'd disband. They seemed like they were more interested in being thugs than playing football, with the McMahon incident and also there was a big fight between them and Tampa Bay where they were out of control. I don't hate them anymore though. I told everyone that my hatred would end if they lost to Denver in the Super Bowl that one year and they did. lol

131 posted on 01/08/2004 12:24:32 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: Owl_Eagle
LOL

I like it!!!!!!

132 posted on 01/08/2004 12:25:58 PM PST by MozartLover ( Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Diggs is our best LB and I know there have been some thoughts about putting him back in the dime package because of Barnett's struggles against the pass last week.

Navies has played well all season and has been consistent. He's the WL LB and he won't be in on the Dime Package. Good tackler. Good against the run.

I tell ya what...we had Wayne last year and losing him wasn't that much of a loss. The guy is up and down and a terrible tackler. One thing about Green, most the missed tackles against him are not by the DL but by LB's and DB's. His legs are huge and very powerful. Just look at that 4th down play last week. The Seahawks LB hit him behind the LOS and Green just took him with him. Good tacklers tackle around the thighs. With Green, his thighs will kill ya so you have to get him around his ankles.

Emmons will be a loss for you. The play of the LB's on either side of the ball will be huge.

As another poster sighted, some of our guys are being hit with the flu. Hopefully it passes quickly.

133 posted on 01/08/2004 12:27:28 PM PST by Solson (Our work is the presentation of our capabilities. - Von Goethe)
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
I think that the attendence at Packers games draws from a LOT wider radius than just the Green Bay city borders.

You are correct. This guy obviously has never been to Wisconsin. Maybe he could have written a funnier and less insulting article had he not been ignorant of his subject.

134 posted on 01/08/2004 12:29:30 PM PST by kevao
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To: Solson
Heck, Reid came from the Pack..

Yes, and that more than makes up for the debt you incurred when you stuck us with Ray Rhodes :-)

135 posted on 01/08/2004 12:30:00 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: LouD
Go Packers!!!!
136 posted on 01/08/2004 12:30:30 PM PST by ConservativeMan55 (You know how those liberals are. Two's Company but three is a fundraiser.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
LOL

But I think this is the Eagle's year -- at least as far as making the Super Bowl.

137 posted on 01/08/2004 12:31:26 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: wisconsinconservative
240 rushing yards later...
138 posted on 01/08/2004 12:32:43 PM PST by Tricorn
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To: wisconsinconservative
During the Pack's recent Super Bowl years (96-97), I don't remember any "We hate Carolina" or "We hate the Forty-Whiners" or any other such articles. We just went out and beat them. Eagles definitely lack class -- and that goes for the Whacko Jacko Thriller antics in the end zone too.
139 posted on 01/08/2004 12:37:17 PM PST by Tricorn
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To: Tribune7
"But I think this is the Eagle's year -- at least as far as making the Super Bowl."

Hee, hee, hee, you... you... kids

140 posted on 01/08/2004 12:39:13 PM PST by Hatteras (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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